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To: ravenwolf
Yes but they have been punished more than once and they have been scattered into many nations but they are still here.

Just as God told them through Isaiah:

Isa 27:7-8 Has he struck them [Israel] as he struck those [other nations] who struck them? Or have they been slain as their slayers were slain? Measure by measure, by exile you contended with them; he removed them with his fierce breath in the day of the east wind.

The Canaanites, Philistines Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, etc. have all struck the Jews but yet the Jews remain while other nations are either long gone or diminished. However, due to Israel's unfaithfulness, a new vineyard has been planted by the Lord. (Compare Ish 5 to Ish 27 and John 15)

41 posted on 10/05/2017 12:26:54 PM PDT by HarleyD ("There are very few shades of grey."-Dr. Eckleburg)
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To: HarleyD

However, due to Israel’s unfaithfulness, a new vineyard has been planted by the Lord.


That is true.


47 posted on 10/06/2017 9:56:25 AM PDT by ravenwolf (If the Bible does not say it in plain words, please don`t preach it to me.)
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To: HarleyD
... new vineyard ...

Cannot find "new vineyard" in the scriptures, yet there is this ...

The Vineyard Movement traces its history back to the mid-seventies and John Wimber took leadership of the young group of churches around 1982. The history of the Vineyard has been documented in Jackson’s The Quest for the Radical Middle as well as a bit in Carol Wimber’s John Wimber: The Way it Was. Others have written histories and I’m sure the future will produce many more.

I first attended a Vineyard when I was around twelve years old, the Smoky Hill Vineyard, led by Greg Thompson (check out his blog). Throughout the years I’ve attended several Vineyards in California and Minnesota. About five years ago I and the other pastors of Trinity Christian Fellowship began to explore adopting into the Vineyard and in August of 2013, our church became an official Vineyard church. That’s the short version of a very long and interesting process that I’ll probably write about someday.

So I’ve been in the Vineyard movement for the majority of my life and have likely read just about every book on the Vineyard or written by Vineyard affiliated pastors and theologians as well as any of the critical evaluations of the Vineyard. I’m not new to the Vineyard, though I’m a newly minted Vineyard pastor, technically speaking. I currently am involved in the Small Town USA partnership with Multiply Vineyard and help with some of the website work for the Society of Vineyard Scholars. Point being: I am all in. I love the Vineyard, though I’m aware it is not a perfect movement. But I do love it and see myself as a part of it for the rest of my life.

Now that the Vineyard is over thirty years old and has been influenced by both mainstream Evangelicalism and Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, it’s safe to say that there is quite a bit of diversity. I’m not opposed to diversity and think it is only healthy that our movement recognizes that Christians have differed on theological views. Some of those differences, however, would prevent some from being able to identify with the theology and practices found within the Vineyard. In the same way that some views would prevent one from identifying with Christianity, some theological views would prevent one from identifying with the Vineyard. For example, if one were to state that the doctrine of the Trinity wasn’t true, I’d suggest they cannot claim the banner of Christianity. To be Christian is to be Trinitarian. Others may disagree with that, and I’m sure some will disagree with some of my observations and opinions in this series on Vineyard theology. Everyone is welcome to their opinion and perhaps this will serve more as a discussion starter… ha ha!

51 posted on 10/06/2017 7:40:10 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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