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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Good for you for seeing different options. It's bad to get stuck in a false binary.

I ask you to reconsider your idea that we are "imposing" a Sacramental sense upon Scripture. The first 15 centuries of Christians all saw this sacramental sense IN Scripture.

If one were to day "I don't see it", that would settle nothing. It may be like a colorblind person saying "I don't see colors" or a tone-deaf person saying "I don't hear tunes." It doesn't mean the colors and tunes aren't there. It may mean you don't see it as, for instance, Justin Martyr saw it just 50-60 years after the last lines of Scripture were written.

From First Apology of St. Justin Martyr, c. 155 AD

"We do not consume the eucharistic bread and wine as if it were ordinary food and drink, for we have been taught that as Jesus Christ our Savior became a man of flesh and blood by the power of the Word of God, so also the food that our flesh and blood assimilates for its nourishment becomes the flesh and blood of the incarnate Jesus by the power of his own words contained in the prayer of thanksgiving ("eucharistia").

How beautiful this is! I wish everyone could see it. How it fills us with wonder and never fails to sustain our hope.

181 posted on 09/19/2017 9:10:55 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("And the Word was made Flesh, and dwelt amongst us." John 1:14)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“I ask you to reconsider your idea that we are “imposing” a Sacramental sense upon Scripture. The first 15 centuries of Christians all saw this sacramental sense IN Scripture.”

Ah, back to your false claim again.

You cannot prove there was an unbroken chain, as has been examined and discussed here. You have never been able to support that claim - even one time.


187 posted on 09/19/2017 10:43:36 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mrs. Don-o
It's bad to get stuck in a false binary.

Tell me about it!!!


"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)

197 posted on 09/19/2017 12:20:22 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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