Posted on 08/07/2017 10:33:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I agree
Had to reply
Last time I went to my home church (more than 50 years ago) there was a visiting minister who was to talk about moderation, when his message was abstinence from alcohol. He looked like he was eating immoderately at a lot of dinners every day.
Also was at a midwest city hotel where a Baptist convention was held. Bartender said they always did a great business in room service.
Gotta agree with you there, Gamecock. If Jesus lived and ate and drank as a normal Jew of his day, he was a regular drinker of alcohol, and so were all of His apostles.
The likelihood of them being T-totalers is as great as the likelihood they were vegans.
Drunkenness us morally rebuked. Wine per se is never prohibited, and often freely recommended. Wisdom: “Come, drink wine and milk.”
I suppose some will say that means grape juice and reconstituted powdered tofu milk. But I doubt it.
I once read that, due to the perennial problem of drinking water safety / sanitation wherever large numbers of people congregate (cities), virtually all civilizations were characterized by their use of either boiled water (e.g. tea) or alcoholic drinks.
It’s a health and safety thing.
LOL
When we attended a Lutheran church in Las Vegas for over ten years, once a quarter, all hymns were sung according to polka music—yes, even the Beer Barrel polka! Never so many smiles, laughing, and hugging in church!
Considerable research supports this. It also explains why alcohol tolerance is low in populations, such as Native Americans in the United States, that did not develop large, fixed settlements.
What a story! Sounds like a lively place—surprised they don’t get more mentions. A happy, joyful service is 100 preferable to cold and austere.
The better question is “should he drink a beer?”
That happened in a church I went to once.
Apparently the grape juice had been in the fridge a little too long.
All the deaconesses set up communion, no one the wiser, until it was time to drink.
On first sip, there was a kind of collective pause, everyone looked at their cup, looked at their neighbor, and started giggling.
Never happened again but I'll bet they were really careful about using fresh grape juice after that.
I'll bet all those little old ladies were just mortified.
What a hilarious story! Thanks for sharing it. I felt like I was right there as it happened. Priceless.
One word was what is closest to our understanding of a beverage made from newly trodden grapes "oinos" (something like a grape juice); another word is closest to juice gone sour "oxos" (our vinegar); and a third word (Heb. "yayin," for a fermented liquid mostly used in medicinal purposes but also could put one in a stupor, what we would refer to today as drunk.
Yes, Jesus' first miracle at the wedding in Cana, was turning water, set aside to wash the feet of one's guests, as the fermented beverage being served, was depleted, into the word "oinos" but that was the "new wine (unfermented)."
On the cross as He was dying, Jesus was offered the fermented liquid "yayin" to dull His pain but He knew His Father intended Him to suffer for the sins of all mankind, so He refused.
Lastly, He did accept a sponge soaked with the sour juice "oxos," as a preembalment just prior to His death, with which He would soon be washed.
One word was what is closest to our understanding of a beverage made from newly trodden grapes "oinos" (something like a grape juice); another word is closest to juice gone sour "oxos" (our vinegar); and a third word (Heb. "yayin," for a fermented liquid mostly used in medicinal purposes but also could put one in a stupor, what we would refer to today as drunk.
Yes, Jesus' first miracle at the wedding in Cana, was turning water, set aside to wash the feet of one's guests, as the fermented beverage being served, was depleted, into the word "oinos" but that was the "new wine (unfermented)."
On the cross as He was dying, Jesus was offered the fermented liquid "yayin" to dull His pain but He knew His Father intended Him to suffer for the sins of all mankind, so He refused.
Lastly, He did accept a sponge soaked with the sour juice "oxos," as a preembalment just prior to His death, with which He would soon be washed.
1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful; all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify.
1Co 10:24 Let no one seek his own, but each one the other's well-being.
Paul teaches that just because he CAN have a beer it's sometimes wise to NOT have a beer.
Think about a pastors role. Is he going to break out the beer everytime he gets together with the congregants? What does that say to the kids? That we NEED beer or other drink to be social?
How about if the pastor KNOWS he has alcoholics in the congregation...is he going to potentially cause them to stumble by drinking in front of them?
And what if a pastor DOESN'T know that there's an alcoholic in the congregation and drinks in front of him or her?
When it comes to pastors and pastoral responsibility there's a much higher bar that God sets and expects to be kept.
Jas 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
It's all about being sensitive to the spiritual maturity of those around us.
Head on collisions probably averaged a combined 4 mph, if walkers; 20 if runners. Falling off a running horse can be fatal.
Milk had to converted to butter and cheese to increase milk’s safe time window of consumption.
Grape juice had to be fermented to extend its life.
God gives up common sense. We are given Jesus Christ as the perfect example. There is no record of him being even a little bit tipsy. He drank wine no doubt, but not to a mind altering point.
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