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To: Mrs. Don-o
Everybody in this forum claims the Bible for their source.

But yet you refuse to believe it. Why is that?

Time and time again, for years even, you've gone to the mat over the words of sinful men, claiming, 'Tradition!'

And time and time again you reject out of hand what God's word says.

438 posted on 08/07/2017 4:53:04 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (Don't check the news, check Cernovich on Twitter)
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To: Bodleian_Girl
And time and time again you reject out of hand what God's word says.

I did the same when I was a Catholic, so I understand. Things are different now. 😄😀😂

439 posted on 08/07/2017 5:02:28 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: Bodleian_Girl
"But yet you refuse to believe it [the Bible]. Why is that?"

Again, you presume too much. I do not "refuse to believe" in the Bible. The Bible directs us to believe also in Sacred Tradition. Oral Tradition. I could ask, if I wish to copy a certain tone of insolence, "Why do you refuse to believe that?"

2 These 2:15
“Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”

The Bible says if we have a dispute we should take it to the Church. Adopting, in imitation, the insolent tone, "Why do you refuse to believe that?"

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

We could volley back and forth like this til we die of exhaustion or the Lord comes again, whichever comes first, but it will not solve the problem of interpretation. And the Lord would be grieved, I think, by our lack of charity.

"Time and time again, for years even, you've gone to the mat over the words of sinful men, claiming, 'Tradition!'"

Tradition? That's not just what I said. That's what Paul said. Read your Bible.

"And time and time again you reject out of hand what God's word says."

That is a falsehood. And it is offensive because it assumes obstinate bad faith ('reject out of hand") rather than a difference in interpretation.

I think this is rash judgment; at least, it is a judgment I have not made about you. I don't think you're obstinately rejecting out of hand what our Lord and St. Paul said about the authority of the Church and the authority of Tradition. I think you may be lacking in certain interpretive points, and I think this is remediable. For both of us.

It does require slowness to fall into ire and accuse, and a quickness to listen.

446 posted on 08/07/2017 6:17:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Gimme That Old Time Religion: it was good enough for Athanasius, and it's good enough for me.)
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