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To: Bodleian_Girl
"But yet you refuse to believe it [the Bible]. Why is that?"

Again, you presume too much. I do not "refuse to believe" in the Bible. The Bible directs us to believe also in Sacred Tradition. Oral Tradition. I could ask, if I wish to copy a certain tone of insolence, "Why do you refuse to believe that?"

2 These 2:15
“Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.”

The Bible says if we have a dispute we should take it to the Church. Adopting, in imitation, the insolent tone, "Why do you refuse to believe that?"

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 18:17
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

We could volley back and forth like this til we die of exhaustion or the Lord comes again, whichever comes first, but it will not solve the problem of interpretation. And the Lord would be grieved, I think, by our lack of charity.

"Time and time again, for years even, you've gone to the mat over the words of sinful men, claiming, 'Tradition!'"

Tradition? That's not just what I said. That's what Paul said. Read your Bible.

"And time and time again you reject out of hand what God's word says."

That is a falsehood. And it is offensive because it assumes obstinate bad faith ('reject out of hand") rather than a difference in interpretation.

I think this is rash judgment; at least, it is a judgment I have not made about you. I don't think you're obstinately rejecting out of hand what our Lord and St. Paul said about the authority of the Church and the authority of Tradition. I think you may be lacking in certain interpretive points, and I think this is remediable. For both of us.

It does require slowness to fall into ire and accuse, and a quickness to listen.

446 posted on 08/07/2017 6:17:22 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Gimme That Old Time Religion: it was good enough for Athanasius, and it's good enough for me.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Bodleian_Girl; metmom; Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion; daniel1212
BG: "Time and time again, for years even, you've gone to the mat over the words of sinful men, claiming, 'Tradition!'"

Tradition? That's not just what I said. That's what Paul said. Read your Bible.

Ok...please produce all that Paul taught orally.

It mus be verifiable.

At this point I'd take a link to a website.

453 posted on 08/07/2017 6:50:48 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mrs. Don-o

OK, so just what are those oral traditions that Paul passed down what we are to adhere to?

How do you know they are from HIM?

How do you know they have been passed down faithfully, without corruption for these almost 2,000 years?


456 posted on 08/07/2017 7:07:33 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Peter can’t be the first Pope, he was married!

Oh wait, that’s Bible, not tradition.


459 posted on 08/07/2017 7:19:18 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (Don't check the news, check Cernovich on Twitter)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You are very judgmental to assume ire on my part. I’ve consistently shown concern for your immortal soul due to your belief and adoration of a sinful and dead woman.

Yet you have never shared your Catholic version of the Gospel. I understand that you may not be able to because unlike the Bible, Rome offers no clear path to salvation.

And of course, you’d have to deal with the problem of actually putting into words the fact that you believe “another Gospel” that Paul warned against.

So I understand your fear and reluctance in trying to witness of a salvation that as a catholic you are forbidden to even claim that you have.

But let that sit with you tonight, when you try and sleep. Others, including myself, have cried out to you to consider your soul. We’ve begged you to examine what these false dogmas portend.

But a word about our souls you have yet to speak.


465 posted on 08/07/2017 8:05:36 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (Don't check the news, check Cernovich on Twitter)
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