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To: metmom; Bodleian_Girl; Syncro
Having grace does not mean being sinless.

It does in the Catholic world-view when talking about the "infusion" of grace versus the "imputation" of righteousness. It's the soul gas tank example I gave a number of days ago. Gotta keep that tank on FULL in order to make it to heaven. Mortal sins empty the tank like it sprang a leak and only confession and penance WITH good works can bring it back to nearly full (seeing as RCs believe most people will have to go through Purgatory first to top off the tank). I can't understand why it doesn't register that we are saved because of CHRIST'S righteousness and not our own - which IS the Biblical view.

332 posted on 08/06/2017 7:30:39 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: boatbums

Very thoughtful post, thank you.


338 posted on 08/06/2017 8:28:59 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (Don't check the news, check Cernovich on Twitter)
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To: boatbums
The problem is, it's not the SCRIPTURE meaning or use of the word *grace*.

Grace is not earned, or merited, or any otherwise apprehended buy actions on our part of any kind.

We are the recipients of it as sinners.

341 posted on 08/06/2017 8:36:17 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: boatbums

The person without sin can never be the recipient of God’s grace, therefore is Mary were truly sinless, she would by default be excluded from it.

The fact that the angel told her she was graced meant that God was doing something for her or to her what she did NOT merit or deserve, because she was a sinner.


342 posted on 08/06/2017 8:37:48 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: boatbums
I can't understand why it doesn't register that we are saved because of CHRIST'S righteousness and not our own - which IS the Biblical view.

Let me take a stab at that. 1st Corinthians 1:18. "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God." 1st Corinthians 2:14. "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
Unregenerate man CANNOT understand spiritual issues, because unregenerate man is unspiritual. You and I both know, since we are ex Catholics, that we did not understand spiritual issues, till God revealed them to us.
One of the things I recalled from my Catholic days, was the incredible spiritual blindness I had. After I left the OTC, and started being my own pope, I began to understand, but not until God took away the blindness I had before.
The fact that unregenerate man, keeps trotting out the same old tired, worn out doctrines, should not surprise any of us. 😀😆😄

357 posted on 08/06/2017 11:23:49 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: boatbums

Good analogy, I missed it before.

It’s sad that some are trying so hard to follow a belief system’s rules/regulations/rituals/traditions that they miss the simple message that we can enter the Kingdom of God and be citizens of that Kingdom while we temporally sojourn on this planet as God’s children.

All we can do is point the way with God’s inspired Word.


361 posted on 08/07/2017 12:21:42 AM PDT by Syncro (James 1:8- A double minded man is unstable in all his ways (man = person)
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To: boatbums; Normandy; teppe; StormPrepper

A full tank in Catholicism is like a current Temple recommend card in Mormonism. Die without a valid one and a Mormon ends up with Baptists forever

On level two of lds Heaven


368 posted on 08/07/2017 5:42:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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