Posted on 08/02/2017 2:07:44 PM PDT by detective
The Venezuelan Episcopal Conference (CEV) has publicly invoked the intercession of the Virgin Mary to free the nation “from the claws of communism,” in a clear reference to the regime of President Nicolás Maduro.
“Blessed Virgin, Mother of Coromoto, heavenly Patron of Venezuela, free our country from the claws of communism and socialism,” the CEV posted on Twitter this Sunday, complete with an image of Santa Maria and a Venezuelan flag.
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False interpretation on your part.
What "detractions"? Where? Point to exactly what was said on this thread that so "distracts" you.
But while you're at it --- do not make the common mistake of confusing (and even deliberately conflating?) non-acceptance of theology ostensibly regarding Mary with that same non-acceptance being anything held against the woman herself.
Whatever alleged animosities there are towards extra-biblical, and even contra-biblical theology regarding "Mary" commonly sprouted (and well tended even) from among and within Roman Catholic settings are aimed at the theology and religious practices regarding "Mary" ---rather than at that historical figure, Mary, personally herself.
I can safely say this for reason I know of not one instance where what you refer to as "animosity" among so-called Protestants towards Marianism is aimed anywhere BUT towards what I have just now described.
Which leaves it to be that a large number of Roman Catholics --on the pages of this forum --have been falsely accusing people around here, for years.
I'm about fed up with the noise of it...
You "advise" people here on FR? Well then, I advise you to stop making false accusations. The days of the souls of my brethren being walked upon are soon to be over. One way, or another. The Lord is Just.
“Neither the chief steward nor the bridegroom were aware of Mary’s order to the waiters and the subsequent miracle.”
It is no stretch to believe word spread quickly though.
Again, you are characterizing Mary’s words as an “order.”
You must really want to believe this FRiend.
No Catholic that I know of believes in polytheism.
No stretch.
Here are Her words:
“Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.”
And the waiters obeyed both Her and Her Son.
What they will admit to (or else not admit, even if but to themselves) is not what matters.
What is being done (and/or not done) in way of worship due to Himself (alone) is what matters, and the Lord knows all.
There's no double-talking allowed in His realm and sight.
It's only a matter of time for any of us and all of us, to find out. We all reach our own earthly end. Sooner, or later.
It matters when non-Catholics falsely accuse us of not being monotheists.
Wake up.
This is a prayer that is said at every Traditional Latin Mass;
I confess to Almighty God, to Blessed Mary ever Virgin, to Blessed Michael the Archangel, to Blessed John the Baptist, to the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, to all the angels and saints, and to you, brethren, that I have sinned exceedingly in thought, word, deed: through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault, and I ask Blessed Mary ever Virgin, Blessed Michael the Archangel, Blessed John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul, all the Angels and you, brethren, to pray to the Lord our God for me.
If you have a problem asking saints to pray for you, that's your problem.
If you have a problem accepting that fact, then that's your problem.
But just wow. Can't you see what happened among "the Church"? Communion of the saints did not originally include direct appeals to them for anything, but instead such as were listed (and many others besides) were mentioned and prayed about and concerning, the prayers directed not to those persons, but towards the Creator in thankfulness and with plea from the living (those still living upon earth) that He not forget those who had gone on, before.
You had just said you were not polytheist.
If not that in effect, how much closer could one be -- short of ancient Grecian, and Roman direct appealing and offering sacrifice to mortals who had been elevated to god-hood status?.
Hinduism, perhaps?
Asking others, especially saints, to pray for me to God is not polytheism.
Get off your high horse and get on your knees.
And which Catholics do that?
It's so close, right next door to it, property lines (and identities) become blurred regardless of claims to the contrary.
Get off your own high horse, before demanding anything of me...
Your question, in light of what I said, and how that was framed, is insensible.
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>> “And which Catholics do that?” <<
Only the ones that pray to the “Mother of God.”
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If you were sick or dying, would you forbid your loved ones of offering prayers to God for your recovery?
Luther prayed to the Mother of God.
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I’m not a Lutheran.
Luther had many foibles, but he did cause the return of the Word of Yehova to his sheep.
That was his Jubilee function. Jubilee events are of the utmost importance, and they are often carried out by men of questionable spiritual character.
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Need I explain in detail why?
That's been done on these pages too, although admittedly less times than the off-base non-sequiter type of questioning has been posted in what appears to me to be something of knee-jerk reflexive response...
A short answer could be --- ah, forget it.
It should wait until you get off your high horse long enough to honestly address and answer multiple questions that have been posed to yourself, even only today.
Go answer those, and then maybe I'll venture further basis for the explanation of why that question does not go anywhere near enough to where it would need to in order to justify the doctrinal developmental change (and deformation) of what was more originally prayers-- directed not toward "departed saints", but were about and regarding those same (made unto God) in memorial and thanksgiving for them having once been a part of God's redemptive work upon earth.
Until then - I owe you no further response. So get to work. I'll entertain no more queries until you do.
“Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.”And the waiters obeyed both Her and Her Son.
She did no command, nor order them. With resignation, she submitted herself to Christ and simply said, do what He tells you.
It is also a wonderful example of Mary presuming to prevail upon Christ and being gently rebuked, and in turn, submitting herself.
In turn, Mary bids the servants to also submit themselves to Christ.
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