Posted on 08/02/2017 2:07:44 PM PDT by detective
The Venezuelan Episcopal Conference (CEV) has publicly invoked the intercession of the Virgin Mary to free the nation “from the claws of communism,” in a clear reference to the regime of President Nicolás Maduro.
“Blessed Virgin, Mother of Coromoto, heavenly Patron of Venezuela, free our country from the claws of communism and socialism,” the CEV posted on Twitter this Sunday, complete with an image of Santa Maria and a Venezuelan flag.
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That would be a good idea.
Not like a RF thread ever got far off topic before......
Then --who are you to demand I perform something --for Him?
What are you basing your opinions upon? Are your sure you're always getting it right? You seemingly must have assumed such, for you did choose to "speak" as it were.
Yet...uh... "binding" upon myself first and foremost, eh? But not "the whole Christian world". Some people (in the whole Christian world) are not bound by the same rulz? Well alrighty then.
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Own fool "personal" interpretations, you say.
What of your own personal interpretations of what I assume you believe is infallible?
You had also just asked me;
Are yours?
Start there, be honest with yourself. As you had also just told me;
So what now?
Will it be yourself, by proxy "defending the faith" (for Roman Catholicism in general, and more to the point -- at specific place & article of "faith") which you perceive is infallible?
If so, then by stealth (so stealthy you may have sneaked that one right on by yourself) you're figuratively wrapped in mantle of infallibility as for your own interpretations --- until such time one could present some argument from within Roman Catholicism itself (and from only there and no where else) as corrective.
I've seen this movie before.
Any ensuing contest concerning items & articles of faith assumes the consequent, which consequent is: that the RCC is, in it's so-called Ordinary & Extraordinary "Magesteriums" infallible, so therefor any conversation concerning such must both begin, and end from those environs alone.
One hitch in that program (beyond the inherently circular logic that is big, and round enough to drive veritable herds hypocritical camels through) is that it's also still dependent upon the personal understanding & interpretation of whichever interpreter (from amid Roman Catholicism) is presenting what alleged is best and most proper Roman Catholic belief -- thus producing ending result that would [allegedly] be, as you did say;
thereby putting yourself (in second-hand form) into role which you'd just said I'd never "catch" you offering.
Get real, or get lost, mister. I have little time for Romish mind-games, today.
Thanks for a great post.
Bless you.
My positions are completely fallible.
That’s why I NEVER rely on them. I rely on what has been taught since the beginning, by the great majority of churches, everywhere around the world, and confirmed by the successor to St. Peter, the head of the Apostles. The minute I find my position wrong, I *change my position*.
Do you do the same, or do you just change churches to suit your wrong position?
We will ignore the fact Roman Catholic doctrine has been shown not to be what the Apostles taught and that it has changed over time.
You mean the current "successor" to St. Peter is teaching what Peter taught????
Do you ever read the Bible?
If no, how do you know what you're being told is correct?
Has been shown by whom?
Rome’s own documents.
In several languages.
How do you understand what you’re reading as Roman Catholicism hasn’t provided a verse by verse interpretation of the texts?
If our Lady is dead, then you will be too.
Is there eternal life in Christ, or isn't there?
Luke 37-38 in context:
"And the fact that the dead are raised Moses himself showed, in the story about the bush, where he speaks of the Lord as the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Now he is God not of the dead but of the living, for to him all of them are alive."And what the flip does "dead" mean anyway to an Eternal Being who can create with His thoughts? Explain that one to me.
Ah yes, I remember this debate with you. We have scant explicit evidence of the early Church's belief on the Assumption so Rome must have changed it! Did any other church complain about the change? No. But still!
Stellar logic that.
Gee, I can't find a photo of myself from January 24 to February 7, 1994 so I must've died then and been replaced with an alien shapeshifter. And then my parents, siblings, and friends just went along with it.
Correction.....no evidence of the Assumption in the early church.
Which is both a false translation - for kecharitomene means "one who has been graced," not filled with grace due to perfect personal virtue - and a false dilemma, that either Mary could be highly graces or a sinner, versus both being the case, as it is with Stephen, "full of faith and of the Holy Ghost.... full of faith and power, And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel. (Acts 6)
Being filled with God does not mean one is sinless and kecharitomene does not mean a perpetual past to present sinless state of grace. .
but the idea that the Bible proves Mary's sinfulness, is dubious, to say the least.
Rather, we do not need to prove the exception to the norm, and it is the idea that the Bible proves Mary's sinlessness that is dubious. Aside from Christ, there are only statements that state that all men are sinners and a basic principle in Scripture is that the exceptions to the norm by its characters are mentioned, from extreme age (Methuselah), to excess size, fingers (Goliath), strength (Samson), barrenness (Hannah), a celibate marriage (David and Abishag), prolonged celibacy (Anna), ascetic diet (John the Baptist), the supernatural transport of Phillip, the singleness of Paul and Barnabas, and uncharacteristic duplicity of Peter, and the surpassing labor and suffering of Paul, birth by a virgin (Mary), to Christ being sinless, which is mentioned at least thrice.
Thus the norm is to be assumed unless the exception is stated, and which never manifestly stated is concerning Mary, and do you really think the Spirit of Christ (thus Christ Himself) would leave you to having to labor to extrapolate her sinless state out of a word which does not state this, and is open to so much contention as to what it could convey?
Nor do we ever see Catholic devotion to Mary in the inspired record of the NT church (Acts onward, which is interpretive of the gospels), including any inference to her being sinless, despite the cardinal importance in Catholicism.
Neither (for your sake() was belief in the sinless state of Mary something that even had the unanimous consent of the (so-called) fathers.
She was preserved from sin
Here we have the typical recourse of Catholics when their specious arguments fail, which is to simply engage in argument by assertion, repeating what they must believe because their autocratic elitist church deems it to be true, in contrast to trusting the God whom Mary worshiped to make manifest binding beliefs.
the One whom she worshiped as "God, my Savior"--- her Savior and ours --- Who did great things for her.
And which was to bless her to bear the incarnate Son of God who created her, and to whom she owes everything to, and to whom she only prayed to in Heaven, unlike Catholics who use her name in vain, for their own traditions of men.
But back to another question. Is the current pope echoing what Peter and the others taught? If not....how can you be 100% sure.
Thank you.
Of course.
We shall all die. Because sin bringeth forth death.
James 1:15
"Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin,
when it is finished,
bringeth forth death."
And because Mary sinned, she is dead now. As we all will be at some point.
Hebrews 9:27
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment::
God said these things, including the fact that ALL have sinned.
It is impossible for God to lie.
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