Posted on 08/02/2017 2:07:44 PM PDT by detective
The Venezuelan Episcopal Conference (CEV) has publicly invoked the intercession of the Virgin Mary to free the nation “from the claws of communism,” in a clear reference to the regime of President Nicolás Maduro.
“Blessed Virgin, Mother of Coromoto, heavenly Patron of Venezuela, free our country from the claws of communism and socialism,” the CEV posted on Twitter this Sunday, complete with an image of Santa Maria and a Venezuelan flag.
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The idols of Mary Roman Catholics kneel before and light candles before and pray to suggest otherwise.
The appeals to Mary for salvation and answered prayers suggest otherwise.
There are no examples of bowing and praying to a created being in the NT.
Every admonition of prayer we have in the NT is directed to God.
I’m not Catholic. I limit my prayers to Jesus and God. I guess we have to agree to disagree.
First two paragraphs of the article. No mention of anyone but Mary.
The Venezuelan Episcopal Conference (CEV) has publicly invoked the intercession of the Virgin Mary to free the nation “from the claws of communism,” in a clear reference to the regime of President Nicolás Maduro.
“Blessed Virgin, Mother of Coromoto, heavenly Patron of Venezuela, free our country from the claws of communism and socialism,” the CEV posted on Twitter this Sunday, complete with an image of Santa Maria and a Venezuelan flag.
That quote, I think, is from before Christ, who revealed that the ‘faithful departed’ are not dead, but living. I’m sure you know what He said about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
This is why, historically, Christians have always asked for and received the intercession of the holy ones who have gone on before us. It is because of the realization that they are alive in Christ. We a reunited to them in bonds of love, which is stronger than death.
Also, I would not consider it a burden to pray for you. I do, in fact, every day!
“First two paragraphs of the article. No mention of anyone but Mary”
Do you really believe that the only times the bishops have ever prayed is what is mentioned in this one article?
You show your ignorance when you make statements like that.
“I’m not Catholic. I limit my prayers to Jesus and God. I guess we have to agree to disagree.”
I would never tell anyone how to pray.
Good luck with everything. I hope your prayers are answered.
Let us love each other like our Savior taught.
Precisely. To Mary, a dead woman. Note the title of the article:
"...Bishops Pray to Virgin Mary to Free the Country..."
You'll figure it out once you get those Satanic scales off your eyes.
:^!
With the Roman Catholic worship of Mary I have no idea if they’ve prayed or not. All I can say is what the article says. They appealed to Mary.
Funny, Paul nor any of the other NT writers ever appealed to Abraham or Elijah or anyone else except God.
Amen, and Amen!
Do not repeat posts that have been pulled.
Even if you edit out the parts that don’t follow the guidelines.
Many of your recent posts have been removed because of being personal and others that are considered mindreading.
Think about the guidelines, study them and either decide to follow them or stop posting in the Religion Forum.
See you in a week.
Early Christians did, though, in all the churches founded by Apostles. It’s part of the Apostolic teaching. St. Paul told St. Timothy that all of Scripture is useful for instruction, and the Septuagint -—their Scripture -—made it clear to them that those in heaven prayed for them.
As well, St Paul exhorted his converts frequently to hold fast to the traditions (not any-old-traditions, but Apostolic Traditions -— we’d give them a capital “T”) and to follow their oral teaching, as well as their practical example. As you know, the Church had liturgies (approved forms of public prayer), creeds, catechisms like the Didache, and bishops’ homilies to draw upon, for many generations before they had winnowed out all the extant writings and approved the canon of the New Testament.
So it was obvious to them that they should go the successors of their Apostolic founders for guidance. Logically and chronologically, the practice of the Church preceded the canonization of the texts.
They knew, too, that Jesus had promised this authority to the Church, against which the gates of hell would not prevail.
You can’t ask the dead anything. That’s just a fact of life.
And why bypass the Living God to try and speak to the dead. That’s necromancy!
Doesn’t common sense say that if prayers in heaven (not to mention for Catholics believing also in prayers of Mary, who they have so exalted) for us could be prayed, with results, that every one of their prayers would have to be answered perfectly, as they wouldn’t be encumbered with the unbelief that naturally hinders almost all humans most of the time on earth. We see through a glass dimly. They are in the presence of The LORD. To be absent from the body is to be present with The LORD. Truly their prayers, on mass, would have been so perfect and powerful as to have rendered all our problems prayed for by them on earth taken care of a long time ago, if common sense follows logic.
We have this time on earth to shine and cause eternal differences. That is why it is so important that we do all that we can do for our LORD while we can. We have all eternity to be in the presence of our LORD in heaven. We just have this short time to impact the souls around us and bring glory to God in the special way that only those living on this earth, in this wicked world can.
Matthew 6:19
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
6:20
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
No...they did not pray to departed believers.
If that had been part of the "Tradition" Roman Catholicism claims was passed on Paul would have written that in at least one of his writings. That he didn't is telling.
But I do agree with the appeal to Scripture as authority!
As well, St Paul exhorted his converts frequently to hold fast to the traditions (not any-old-traditions, but Apostolic Traditions -— we’d give them a capital “T”) and to follow their oral teaching, as well as their practical example.
Paul used the word tradition three times in the affirmative and two were in 2 Thessalonians. I wouldn't call that frequently.
The entire NT uses it only 13 times with 10 in the negative.
A word study of tradition shows the historical traditions of the Jews were discarded by Jesus and Paul.
As you know, the Church had liturgies (approved forms of public prayer), creeds, catechisms like the Didache, and bishops’ homilies to draw upon, for many generations before they had winnowed out all the extant writings and approved the canon of the New Testament.
The NT church had no such "approved prayers" as seen in Roman Catholicism today. Certainly no prayers to Mary or the departed saints. No prayers to Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, etc.
The Didache is so riddled with contrary teachings of the NT it is almost laughable it is appealed to.
What the Roman Catholic cannot produce, though it has been requested, are the exact things Paul or the other Apostles are said to have "passed down".
We know it wasn't the Assumption of Mary.
We know it wasn't the papacy for that didn't come into existence until the 4th century...some suggest the 5th.
It wasn't the Mass as practiced by Roman Catholicism today as Rome's own sources admit they don't know how it originated.
Roman Catholicism cannot claim what they are doing today is what the Apostles did ...or for that matter was "handed down".
The origin of the Roman Mass, on the other hand, is a most difficult question, We have here two fixed and certain data: the Liturgy in Greek described by St. Justin Martyr (d. c. 165), which is that of the Church of Rome in the second century, and, at the other end of the development, the Liturgy of the first Roman Sacramentaries in Latin, in about the sixth century.
The two are very different.
Justin's account represents a rite of what we should now call an Eastern type, corresponding with remarkable exactness to that of the Apostolic Constitutions (see LITURGY). The Leonine and Gelasian Sacramentaries show us what is practically our present Roman Mass.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09790b.htm
How did the service change from the one to the other if it were "handed down" from one Apostle to another????
Kinda wipes out your appeal to "Tradition".
When will you acknowledge that Catholic don't pray to the departed; they pray to God to have mercy on the souls of the departed?
You have been corrected on this more than once, yet you continue to misrepresent the Catholic faith.
When will you acknowledge that Catholic don't pray to the departed; they pray to God to have mercy on the souls of the departed?
Those prayers to Mary don't count????
All of the prayers to the "patron" saints of whatever don't count????
Here's a prayer TO "St Anne"
Dearest St. Anne,
it is you I wish to honour in your statues and images.
They are the tangible representations of the mysteries of divine love that were accomplished in you.
The sight of your holding the infant Virgin Mary brings to my mind a clearer understanding of your role in Christ's Redemption of mankind.
http://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=593
Here's a prayer TO St Anthony.
"Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints" O Holy St. Anthony, gentlest of Saints, your love for God and Charity for His creatures, made you worthy, when on earth, to possess miraculous powers. Encouraged by this thought, I implore you to obtain for me (request). O gentle and loving St. Anthony, whose heart was ever full of human sympathy, whisper my petition into the ears of the sweet Infant Jesus, who loved to be folded in your arms; and the gratitude of my heart will ever be yours. Amen.
http://www.catholic.org/prayers/prayer.php?p=163
Just these two proves that Roman Catholic pray TO departed saints in contradiction of the NT.
Mrs. D....I say this in all sincerity....it seems that for every argument you put up I am able to show you a countering position of Roman Catholicism using Roman Catholic sources.
Catholics do not pray to a relative that died a day ago.
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