Posted on 07/31/2017 1:18:27 PM PDT by ealgeone
Proving again the Roman Catholic is usually the first to resort to the personal attack and/or profanity when the argument goes against them.
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No author given.
As none was listed as to who wrote the article.
But when you compare the message of the apparition to what is revealed in Scripture the apparition is promoting a different Gospel....in other words, a fake Gospel.
It is one of the many reasons that supports the belief that Roman Catholicism worships Mary.
The Rich Man and Lazarus 19 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 There was also a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores, who had been placed at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed the crumbs falling from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 “It came to pass that the beggar died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s presence. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham from a distance and Lazarus in his presence. 24 So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am tormented in this flame.’
25 “But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things. But now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf, so that those who would pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “He said, ‘Then I pray you, father, to send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, to testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’
29 “Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets. Let them hear them.’
30 “He said, ‘No, father Abraham. But if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’
31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’”
Luke 16:19-31
God's Word trumps personal experience/phenomena.
Catholics do not worship Mary.
Catholics understand that worshiping anything other than the one triune God is stupid and sinful.
The only reason you could possibly have for repeating this lie—that Catholics worship Mary—is pure malice. I mean freely-chosen, deliberate, obstinate malice.
It does have an upside. When an anti-Catholic is as blatantly malicious and intellectually dishonest as you are, his message is ridiculous rather than seductive.
Time for you to cut-and-paste your “proving once again that the Roman Catholic...”
Why did the apparition first showup as a boy, with a skirt up over the knees?
If Mary was born sinless and remained sinless was she ‘under the law’? You do understand what Paul was addressing when he wrote of ‘the law of righteousness’, right? I mean, a trained Catholic Priest should know what that means, right? ... Then tell us, if Mary was born sinless and remained sinless her entire life, was she ever under the law?
Whattajoke ---- "worship"
Your *own* definition is revere, regard highly, reverence, worship, hallow, hold sacred, exalt, vaunt, adore, honor, respect, esteem, revered, respected, esteemed, honored, hallowed, holy, sacred
1 out of 19?!?!?!? So --- you're 5% right??? Surely you can do better than that
No. The reason I post this is to illustrate the false teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.
The Bible, in the Second Commandment, tells us not to have idols or to bow before them.
4“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. Exodus 20:4-6 NASB
But Roman Catholics do not appear to be taught this in their Traditional Catechetical Formula.
| Exodus 20:4-6. | A Traditional Catechetical Formula |
| 4“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.. |
1. I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me. |
We can see the false message of the apparition again when compared to the Second Commandment.
No where in the Bible are we ever told to "devote ourselves to the Immaculate Heart of Mary". Not only is this a violation of the Second Commandment but would also be a violation of the Greatest Commandment:
37Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38This is the first and greatest commandment. Matthew 22:38 NASB
| Exodus 20:4-6. | Apparition at Fatima |
| 4“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. 5“You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.. |
"Finally, devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, our Most Holy Mother, consists in considering Her as the seat of mercy, of goodness and of pardon, and as the sure door of entering Heaven.". |
There are a number of other false teachings in what the apparition says.
1) Mary is not the seat of Mercy....
2) She is not the "sure door" of entering Heaven.
There is only one SURE DOOR....Jesus Christ. The sinner can approach Him without benefit of Mary.
"I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture." John 10:9 NASB
Jesus makes it clear He is the only way to Heaven....no one else.
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me." John 14:6 NASB
You may not heed the warning. I doubt you will.
However, I post for the casual reader of these threads, and there are many, who may not understand exactly what Rome proclaims regarding things such as the apparition of Mary, the prayers to Mary, the reliance upon Mary for salvation, the false promises of the Scapular, the Miraculous Medal, the false titles assigned to Mary that are in contradiction of the New Testament.
There is only one we are to be wholly devoted to. 37Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38This is the first and greatest commandment. Matthew 22:38 NASB
Nope -- Mary was born above Jesus (and above God). Isn't that what you all always profess about Catholics? Even though you know better?
This has been rehashed a thousand times over on this site. Those of you who continue this false narrative/accusation do so intentionally.
It's a flat-out-lie and you know it...
Any Catholic would be damned AFRAID NOT to!!!
(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)
| 1 | Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces. |
| 2. | I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary. |
| 3. | The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies |
| 4. | It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means. |
| 5. | The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish. |
| 6. | Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life. |
| 7. | Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church. |
| 8. | Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise. |
| 9. | I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary. |
| 10. | The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven. |
| 11. | You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary. |
| 12. | All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities. |
| 13. | I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death |
| 14. | All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ. |
| 15. | Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination. |
"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,
no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.
There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."
Sister Lucia dos Santos
Try answering the question. Was MAry every under the Law?
That “venerate” is synonymous with “worship” is obviously lost upon you for a variety of reasons, your choice of house of worship among them, but I do find myself wondering if English is your first language.
This has been answered hundreds of times on here -- but I will do it again, just for the slow ones. Do you believe that God is All-Powerful? Do you believe that God is All-Knowing? Do you believe that God is All-Forgiving? Do you believe that God has Foresight of all things, regardless of time? Do you believe that God has the Power to Pre-Forgive someone of Natural Sin and to (possibly) Pre-Forgive any Sins that may/or may not be committed on Earth?
You do realize, of course, that not all things that the Catholic Church teaches are necessary to attain Heaven, right? You do understand that some things they are taking a very good "educated-guess* on, and **N-O-T** a Heaven-or-Hell choice, right?
Of course, you realize all these things, but that never stops you all from playing "Gotchya" with Catholicism. How incredibly simplistic -- and boring....
Well that was a poor ‘try’. You did not address the question other than with sophistry. Quite revealing that ...
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