Question: "Are apparitions of Mary, such as Lady Fatima, true messages from God?"

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[Elsie]

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...da debble is inum!

[Elsie]

I wonder if maybe it's better to be blind and be innocent?

No; it's 'better' to be clear-eyed and UNDERSTANDING.

Thus...

NIV 1 Corinthians 4:6

Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

[Elsie]

... so that you may learn from us ...

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NIV 2 Corinthians 1:13-14
13. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that,
14. as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.

[Elsie]

... those who hear the word of God and observe it.”

[Elsie]

Since He is our example, if He venerates Mary, so should we.
If He refrains, we should refrain.

Like THIS??

John 2:4

"Woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied.

[Elsie]

Solomon sees his Mother and says, "What is it you have come to ask of me mother? You know I will not refuse you."

So Jewish mothers tend to have influence over their son, right?

That worked out well!

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1 Kings 2:22-25

22 King Solomon answered his mother, “And why do you ask Abishag the Shunammite for Adonijah? Ask for him the kingdom also, for he is my older brother, and on his side are Abiathar the priest and Joab the son of Zeruiah.” 23 Then King Solomon swore by the Lord, saying, “God do so to me and more also if this word does not cost Adonijah his life! 24 Now therefore as the Lord lives, who has established me and placed me on the throne of David my father, and who has made me a house, as he promised, Adonijah shall be put to death today.” 25 So King Solomon sent Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, and he struck him down, and he died.

[Elsie]

spiritual algebra
Just when you think you’ve heard it all...

https://youtu.be/R4GLAKEjU4w

[Elsie]

I guess in Catholicism, words don't mean what they say, they mean what the Catholic church wants them to say.

HMMMmmm...

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'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,

' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'  

[Elsie]

...”Since the apparition commands several things to be done that contradict Scripture, then it’s a safe bet that it wasn’t of God”....

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Apparitionial Promise #1

Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.

Biblical Admonition #?

Matthew 6:24
“No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

[metmom]

Mary was a TOOL the Godhead used to put FLESH around the SPIRIT of JESUS.

You did it now.

There's blood in the water.

[ealgeone]

>>I've read the other accounts of apparitions claiming to be Mary. They follow a similar pattern. Their message when examined fully is counter to what is revealed in Scripture.<<

Our Lady of Guadeloupe being one notable exception.

This is part of the message recorded from the first apparition claiming to be Mary at Guadalupe.

I wish that a temple be erected here quickly, so I may therein exhibit and give all my love, compassion, help, and protection

, because I am your merciful mother,

to you, and to all the inhabitants on this land and all the rest who love me, invoke and confide in me; listen there to their lamentations, and remedy all their miseries, afflictions and sorrows.

And to accomplish what my clemency pretends, go to the palace of the bishop of Mexico, and you will say to him that I manifest my great desire, that here on this plain a

temple be built to me;

you will accurately relate all you have seen and admired, and what you have heard.

http://www.sancta.org/nican.html

This is why I say the apparitions proclaim a false message.

This apparition is demanding a temple be built in her honor.

Would the Mary we see in the NT do this?? No.

We have the Scriptures given to us by God so we can compare the messages of angels, prophets, etc to see if they are legit.

The message of the apparition at Guadalupe does not pass this test.

If we keep the focus on Christ and His words we will do just fine.

[AppyPappy]

“So Jewish mothers tend to have influence over their son, right?”

Ask Jacob

[Elsie]

Do you think it could have been the angel Moroni?

3 Nephi chapters 8-9

 

When Jesus died, the inhabitants of many great cities died with him. Entire cities were sunk into the ocean, or were burned, or destroyed by earthquakes. 8:8-10, 14

 

8:8 And the city of Zarahemla did take fire.  
8:9 And the city of Moroni did sink into the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof were drowned. 
8:10 And the earth was carried up upon the city of Moronihah that in the place of the city there became a great mountain. 
8:11 And there was a great and terrible destruction in the land southward. 
8:12 But behold, there was a more great and terrible destruction in the land northward; for behold, the whole face of the land was changed, because of the tempest and the whirlwinds and the thunderings and the lightnings, and the exceedingly great quaking of the whole earth; 
8:13 And the highways were broken up, and the level roads were spoiled, and many smooth places became rough.  
8:14 And many great and notable cities were sunk, and many were burned, and many were shaken till the buildings thereof had fallen to the earth, and the inhabitants thereof were slain, and the places were left desolate. 

 

 

The voice (who finally identifies himself as Jesus Christ) speaks about burning to death, drowning, and burying alive all of the inhabitants of 16 large cities. 9:3-15

9:3 Behold, that great city Zarahemla have I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof. 
9:4 And behold, that great city Moroni have I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned. 
9:5 And behold, that great city Moronihah have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof, to hide their iniquities and their abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come any more unto me against them. 
9:6 And behold, the city of Gilgal have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth;  

9:7 Yea, and the city of Onihah and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Mocum and the inhabitants thereof, and the city of Jerusalem and the inhabitants thereof; and waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come up any more unto me against them.  
9:8 And behold, the city of Gadiandi, and the city of Gadiomnah, and the city of Jacob, and the city of Gimgimno, all these have I  caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof  have I buried up in the depths of the earth, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up any more unto me against them.  
9:9 And behold, that great city Jacobugath, which was inhabited by the people of king Jacob, have I  caused to be burned with fire because of their sins and their wickedness, which was above all the wickedness of the whole earth, because of their secret murders and combinations; for it was they that did destroy the peace of my people and the government of the land; therefore I did cause them to be burned, to destroy them from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up unto me any more against them.  
9:10 And behold, the city of Laman, and the city of Josh, and the city of Gad, and the city of Kishkumen, have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations.  
9:11 And because they did cast them all out, that there were none righteous among them, I did send down fire and destroy them, that their wickedness and abominations might be hid from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints whom I sent among them might not cry unto me from the ground against them.  
9:12 And many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land, and upon this people, because of their wickedness and their abominations.  
9:13 O all ye that are spared because ye were more righteous than they, will ye not now return unto me, and repent of your sins, and be converted, that I may heal you? 

9:14 Yea, verily I say unto you, if ye will come unto me ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me. 
9:15 Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name. 

 

 

[delchiante]

quote-.”Since the apparition commands several things to be done that contradict Scripture, then it’s a safe bet that it wasn’t of God”....
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Elsie, problem with these promises, is that she eventually points to Jesus.
No lie can point to the truth. so, in essense, this fake mary is pointing to a fake jesus.

Rome having a fake Mary and a fake Jesus, as these 15 promises prove, isn’t just a roman catholic problem.

Rome’s Jesus born on December 25, killed on good friday and raised easter sunday isn’t the real Jesus. that can be proven with scripture.
this fatima and the 15 promises can also help one see that rome has another mary and another jesus.

That would be news to a whole lot of non catholics, since that’s the only Jesus they’ve ever known.

[Elsie]

Will I need a bigger boat?

Preferably one without a hole in the bottom?

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In 1 Nephi 18.2 we read:

Now I, Nephi, did not work the timbers after the manner which was learned by men, neither did I build the ship after the manner of men; but I did build it after the manner which the Lord had shown unto me; wherefore, it was not after the manner of men.

 

 

Now turn to Ether 2.16-21, then Ether 6.5-8

And the Lord said: Go to work and build, after the manner of barges which ye have hitherto built. And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did go to work, and also his brethren, and built barges after the manner which they had built, according to the instructions of the Lord. And they were small, and they were light upon the water, even like unto the lightness of a fowl upon the water.

And they were built after a manner that they were exceedingly tight, even that they would hold water like unto a dish; and the bottom thereof was tight like unto a dish; and the sides thereof were tight like unto a dish; and the ends thereof were peaked; and the top thereof was tight like unto a dish; and the length thereof was the length of a tree; and the door thereof, when it was shut, was tight like unto a dish.

And it came to pass that the brother of Jared cried unto the Lord, saying: O Lord, I have performed the work which thou hast commanded me, and I have made the barges according as thou hast directed me.

And behold, O Lord, in them there is no light; whither shall we steer? And also we shall perish, for in them we cannot breathe, save it is the air which is in them; therefore we shall perish.

And the Lord said unto the brother of Jared: Behold, thou shalt make a hole in the top, and also in the bottom; and when thou shalt suffer for air thou shalt unstop the hole and receive air. And if it be so that the water come in upon thee, behold, ye shall stop the hole, that ye may not perish in the flood.

And it came to pass that the brother of Jared did so, according as the Lord had commanded.

 

[Elsie]

...and remedy all their miseries...

O...
K...

[Elsie]

Ask Jacob

Why?

[ealgeone]

We are never called to love Mary in the NT.

The sad part, and what we need to pay attention to, is there is just enough truth in this statement to fool many people.

But when fully examined we see the false teaching imbedded in this apparition's message.

The whole focus is the get the attention of Christ and bring in whatever this apparition is peddling.

[Elsie]

No lie can point to the truth.

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Wanna bet??

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Matthew 4:5-6

⁵ Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, ⁶ and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’

and,

‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’” 

It only takes a small piece of fecal matter to be discovered in the punchbowl and most folks tend to lose their appetites at the pitch-in.

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[CodeToad]

Sad that people treat religion as a superstition.