Question: "Are apparitions of Mary, such as Lady Fatima, true messages from God?"

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[metmom]

When all else fails, they repeat over and over that dead people are “dead.”

You just can't make this stuff up...

[metmom]

Though human rationality might not agree, spiritual algebra suggests the terms I used to describe Mary are equal and interchangeable.

spiritual algebra

Just when you think you've heard it all......

[metmom]

Everybody looks for an apparition when they don’t like what the Lord has told them already.

You nailed it!!!

[metmom]

It is not mind-reading. It’s reading verses in context. Mary is not mentioned anywhere in connection with “all have sinned and fallen short.” Thus, it is irrational to claim that this statement was intended to deny the Immaculate Conception.

So *all* doesn't really mean *ALL*. It means what the Catholic church decides it means.

Just like *dead* doesn't really mean dead.

I guess in Catholicism, words don't mean what they say, they mean what the Catholic church wants them to say.

[metmom]

It is not mind-reading. It’s reading verses in context. Mary is not mentioned anywhere in connection with “all have sinned and fallen short.” Thus, it is irrational to claim that this statement was intended to deny the Immaculate Conception.

So *all* doesn't really mean *ALL*. It means what the Catholic church decides it means.

Just like *dead* doesn't really mean dead.

I guess in Catholicism, words don't mean what they say, they mean what the Catholic church wants them to say.

[metmom]

She is the mother of the Son, however, and as I ponder the many mysteries of Jesus and the Holy Trinity, I wonder how her pregnancy and being so connected to Jesus transformed her.

She probably had morning sickness and stretch marks like most other women do.

And put on weight and got bloated ankles.

And maybe she got healed of something.

Often when Jesus touched people, they got healed.

There is no record of much else happening when Jesus came in contact with them.

[metmom]

The question isn’t so much as to whether something happened at Fatima, but what the source was.

Since the apparition commands several things to be done that contradict Scripture, then it’s a safe bet that it wasn’t of God.

[caww]

...”Since the apparition commands several things to be done that contradict Scripture, then it’s a safe bet that it wasn’t of God”....

Yes.

[metmom]

Heck, Catholics even go so far as to quote Mary’s words to the servants at the wedding of Cana of *DO whatever He tells you* as if those words were spoken to the church, and here we have Jesus commanding a lot of things that the Catholic church just outright ignores if it can’t explain away.

One such thing is instructions on how to pray and who to pray to.

And another is *Call no man Father*.

[metmom]

Oh, you mean like when Moses and Elijah appeared in person during the transfiguration?

Moses and Elijah appearing and talking to Jesus are not the same category of event that is being claimed of Fatima.

They did not appear to multitudes nor give instructions to believers for them to follow.

[grey_whiskers]

Aye; but then again, neither were they angels: but humans, sent by God after Death and appearing not only to Jesus, but to three disciples.

[Mark17]

Keep up the good work bro.

[Mark17]

Since the apparition commands several things to be done that contradict Scripture, then it’s a safe bet that it wasn’t of God.

Do you think it could have been the angel Moroni? 😀😆🙃😄😇😁

[Elsie]

She is the mother of the Son, however, and as I ponder the many mysteries of Jesus and the Holy Trinity, I wonder how her pregnancy and being so connected to Jesus transformed her.

How can this BE?

Since Jesus has ALWAYS existed?

Mary was a TOOL the Godhead used to put FLESH around the SPIRIT of JESUS.

[Elsie]

She is the mother of the Son, however, and as I ponder the many mysteries of Jesus and the Holy Trinity, I wonder how her pregnancy and being so connected to Jesus transformed her.

Uh...

...just what do you mean by TRANSFORMED?

[Elsie]

I'm fairly late in life taking a serious interest in such things, but I notice how the majority of Christianity reveres and venerates Mary and are not offended by her being referred to as the Mother of God.

Why didn't you just SAY the Catholic World??

[Elsie]

I'm fairly late in life taking a serious interest in such things, but I notice how the majority of Christianity reveres and venerates Mary and are not offended by her being referred to as the Mother of God.

Likewise; I notice how the non-Catholic world accepts Mary just as the Book that the head organization of the 'the majority of Christians' put together so long ago describes her.

They ARE offended by her being pumped up into something that SCRIPTURE never alludes to.

[Elsie]

Why don't you ask a few Catholics and see what they say, you know, to get a general idea?

Well; there are a 'few' Catholics that like to post on FR.

Surely THEY have some idea; some opinion they'd like to put forth.

But; in the long run; when no EVIDENCE appears, I'd have to come to the conclusion that they are GUESSING as well.

[Elsie]

And don't forget the Orthodox. Aren't they of a similar mind and opinion as the Catholics are about all things Mary?

Did they not spring from the same root as Rome?

But; do they not also claim that Rome is WRONG about a lot of things??

[Elsie]

6. Moses and Elias (representing the Law and the prophets of the Old Testament) were conversing with Jesus about His Passion.

Oh?

Who mindread what was going on here?

You or the guys back at headquarters??

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Matthew 17:1-8
Douay-Rheims Bible

1 AND after six days Jesus taketh unto him Peter and James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart: 2 And he was transfigured before them. And his face did shine as the sun: and his garments became white as snow. 3 And behold there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 And Peter answering, said to Jesus: Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles, one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 And as he was yet speaking, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them. And lo, a voice out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased: hear ye him. 6 And the disciples hearing, fell upon their face, and were very much afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them: and said to them, Arise, and fear not. 8 And they lifting up their eyes saw no one but only Jesus.