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To: Elsie

I used the word sacramental, not sacrament.

A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to **give** grace, not simply an outward sign of inward grace.

A sacramental, otoh, is “anything set apart or blessed by the Church to excite good thoughts and to increase devotion, and through these movements of the heart to remit venial sin.”

A sacramental is, therefore, very different from a sacrament.


574 posted on 07/20/2017 9:36:51 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: Chicory

“A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to **give** grace, not simply an outward sign of inward grace.”

Since Christ didn’t say this in Scripture and no Apostle taught this in Scripture, what evidence can you share to support this truth claim? It


579 posted on 07/20/2017 10:28:47 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Chicory
...and through these movements of the heart to remit venial sin.”

WAIT!!!

I thought that the Priest had to forgive your sins: venial or mortal.

618 posted on 07/20/2017 4:21:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Chicory
And the Brown Scapular, as you seem to know, is not an indulgence but a sacramental.

Seems like a magic trinket to me; reminding a person that some kind of apparition appeared and made some boastful claims to children.

619 posted on 07/20/2017 4:23:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Chicory
A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to **give** grace, not simply an outward sign of inward grace.

Grace is not given through ANYTHING but Jesus. We don't perform to receive grace. If we do then it's wages do for work performed.

God LAVISHES His grace on us.

Ephesians 1:3-10 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Romans 5:1-2 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

John 1:14-17 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

738 posted on 07/21/2017 6:29:27 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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