[Elsie]

What is called the Counter-Reformation would probably have occurred anyway,

So; it seems there was a LOT of dissent within the 'church' on the direction it was going.

To single out and BLAME Luther is a bit over the top; Right?

[Chicory]

Well, gee, of all the people working to sort out the Church’s problems, he was one of the few who got himself excommunicated and went out and started a new, anti-Cathooic movement.

Of course, the Church’s opprobrium is balanced by the Protests’ praise, no?