Posted on 07/17/2017 8:08:32 AM PDT by ebb tide
“Francis is more interested in leftwing politics than in Catholic theology”, George Neumayr, contributing editor of The American Spectator, states talking to Tom Woods on July 14th on tomwoods.com. Woods describes Francis as a result of John Paul II who - as he puts it - appointed "absolutely terrible people" as bishops: "Catholics have suffered under Bergoglios for decades now”.
Neumayr agrees that a lot of the liberal bishops were appointed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He sees Francis as the “culmination of a century” of liberalism and modernism in the Church.
For him it is "highly unlikely" that Francis, who in his theology is “more a Protestant than a Catholic” will convert to Catholicism. Instead, the realistic scenario is that Francis will produce division and chaos, "Catholics will have to decide whether they guard the faith over papolatry.”
And: “The Cardinals have to declare that Francis is a bad pope who must be resisted.”
We endure in faith to the end because we are saved.
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so you are saying we are not to be called teachers?
It is my OPINION that Elsie was not saying that. The reference to Father is the spiritual parent of a new, born from above member of the EKKLESIA, not referencing the physical genetic donor. As such, GOD is the designated ‘parent’ to bring us up in the way that we should go, developing our new man over our old man which is still present but under sentence of annihilation when we are transformed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the Trumpet of God.
STRONGS:
Definition: (lit: partnership) (a) contributory help, participation, (b) sharing in, communion, (c) spiritual fellowship, a fellowship in the spirit.
HELPS WORD-studies: 2842 koinōnía (a feminine noun) – properly, what is shared in common as the basis of fellowship (partnership, community).
34.5 κοινωνίαa, ας f: an association involving close mutual relations and involvement—‘close association, fellowship.
Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 445). New York: United Bible Societies.
When read in context with the other passages involving the Last Supper, we see we are told to "do this in remembrance of Me."
The word for remembrance is ἀνάμνησις conveying the meaning of : Cognate: 364 anámnēsis (from 363 /anamimnḗskō, "bring to mind") – properly, deliberate recollection, done to better appreciate the effects (intended results) of what happened; active, self-prompted recollection especially as a memorial.
29.11 ἀνάμνησις, εως f: (derivative of ἀναμιμνῄσκω ‘to cause to remember,’ 29.10) the means for causing someone to remember—‘means of remembering, reminder.’ Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition., Vol. 1, p. 347). New York: United Bible Societies.
Just as the blood was always poured out and never consumed in the OT sacrifices, so is the blood poured out and never consumed in the NT.
The only way we can participate with Christ is to believe in His Words...that is, to believe in Him and follow Him.
When we have the Lord's Supper we are signifying we are His. It recalls the sacrifice of His body and blood on the Cross for our behalf.
If the Roman Catholic wants to maintain we can only appropriate Christ through eating and drinking of His flesh and blood, then no unbeliever will ever be able to come to Christ in this manner.
Only believers are to participate in the Lord's Supper. If you don't believe you don't participate, hence you cannot come to salvation through the Roman Catholic perspective.
However, Christianity, which follows the NT, shows we come to Christ through belief/faith in Him as He told us.
I am not saying anything.
I am showing what the BIBLE; the book that Rome assembled; says.
He was speaking to the crowd that included his disciples and the Apostles.
Jesus was teaching of SpIRITUAL matters, as HE clarified in John 6:63: 62 Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before? 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
Because the Body and Blood includes the soul and divinity of the living Lord, and is not just mere flesh and blood, it is spirit filled. And the words that he spoke, which are spirit and life, are clear:
Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever. (John 6:53-58)When the Disciples see Him leaving, how could they imagine someone could then eat His flesh and drink His blood if He is gone to the Father?
Through the institution of the Eucharist in which the bread and wine are turned into his Body and Blood. That was the whole point.
If Jesus gave His transmogrified flesha nd blood to the Disciples, actually, physically, on the night before His crucifixion, then He would be causing His Disciples to break the standing command of GOD against such!
Jesus is God, he is the Law Giver. As such, he can change the law. We see this in Acts 10:
The next day, while they were on their way and nearing the city, Peter went up to the roof terrace to pray at about noontime. He was hungry and wished to eat, and while they were making preparations he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something resembling a large sheet coming down, lowered to the ground by its four corners. In it were all the earth’s four-legged animals and reptiles and the birds of the sky. A voice said to him, “Get up, Peter. Slaughter and eat.” But Peter said, “Certainly not, sir. For never have I eaten anything profane and unclean.” The voice spoke to him again, a second time, “What God has made clean, you are not to call profane.” This happened three times, and then the object was taken up into the sky. (Acts 10:9-16)Finally you tried this little sneak: "But you do agree, then, that he commanded us to keep his commandments. Faith alone is not enough." No, lost soul, I did not agree that salvation is the result of faith and works.
So we are not required to keep his commandment? Great! Am I engaged in dishonest business dealings? Carry on because I have faith that Jesus paid the price for my sins. Am I having an affair with my neighbor's wife? Carry on because I have faith that Jesus paid the price for my sins. Do I want to kill my brother so that I can get the entire inheritance? Go for it because because I have faith Jesus paid the price for my sins.
Now before you say that these scenarios are ridiculous, answer the question: Do I have to keep the commandments or not? It is a yes or no question. You cannot have it both ways. Nor try to skirt the issue by saying that someone with faith would not do these things. Both Paul and James warned that faith can exist without charity or works and that such faith is worthless.
Keeping His / Jesus's two commandments is only possible to any degree because of HIS SPIRIT Presence in us.
Agreed.
That Spirit Presence is the absolute proof that we have eternal life BEFORE as we then seek to keep His two commandments.
But what if we have faith but fail to seek the keep his commandments?
He speaking in the context of eating the meat offered in sacrifices:
Look at Israel according to the flesh; are not those who eat the sacrifices participants in the altar? So what am I saying? That meat sacrificed to idols is anything? Or that an idol is anything? No, I mean that what they sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to become participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and also the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and of the table of demons.Israel participates in the sacrifice of the altar by eating the meat of the sacrifice. Likewise, the pagans participate with demons by eating the meat offered in pagan sacrifices. So to participate in the Body and Blood of Christ we must eat of the sacrifice of our Lord. And how can we do that if we are not presented with the actual Body and Blood of Christ offered in sacrifice?
In context....
Matthew 23:1-12 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.
They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and greetings in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by others.
But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ. The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
The whole CONTEXT is not about not calling any man on earth your father ever.
It's instructions to the disciples that they are not to be called by or use, or be addressed by the TITLE of *father*, just like using the rest of the words as TITLES.
Jesus is NOT talking about using the word in its common use and form. It's all about those in positions of spiritual authority not taking on themselves titles that they should not have.
I get so sick of that same old argument and yet NOBODY suggests that we stop calling our real fathers *Father* to obey Jesus, but rather they offer excuses as to why it's OK to DISOBEY Jesus. That since everyone does it it's OK to continue disobeying Jesus.
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Clearly, by the fruit delivered, it is the Holy Spirit.
(of course there are those that wish to remain blind)
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>> “but the REASON it saves us is because of God’s grace” <<
No! The reason it saves is that it delivers the “righteousness of Yehova.”
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The false Christianity of Catholiciism focuses upon the 'being crucified' Jesus. THAT JESUS went into the tomb. The Risen Lord is the NOW JESUS. His once for all for all time sacrifice upon the Cross IS FINISHED! Your pagan priests cannot keep crucifying Him so you can eat His flesh and drink His real blood! You endorse a blasphemy against the body and blood of Jesus with your paganized Mass!
The only difference between your religion and the seekers after signs who ceased to follow Him after John 6 is that your blasphemous religion has defied the command of God where those turned away because they knew enough to not make God duplicitous.
The god of catholiciism is a duplicitous caprice, establishing a commandment against blood for ALL THE GENERATIONS OF ISRAEL, including that of the disciples at the Passover meal, then causing the disciples to break that commandment as if it was never given for ALL THEIR GENERATIONS! Even JESUS said to do the ritual in Remembrance, not to get eternal life. But the magic thinking catholic trained mind can twist that to mean 'break My commandment' to get My eternal life in you ... just the same instruction as the pagans used to their idols and the food sacrificed to those idols. They too thought their foods were magically transformed into their idol and by eating the foods they ingested their little gods. Satan worked his magic on them and now works it on Catholics!
You asked, “But what if we have faith but fail to seek the keep his commandments?” Your answer is shouting at you from James! You do not have saving faith if you are showing the character of GOD in you! Eating wafers at a Catholic altar is not going to ingest His character.
So how does saving faith differ from the faith that Paul and James warned were worthless?
Are you really so dull? Worthless faith is that which has no manifestation of the Character of God showing forth in your behavior mechanism. we’ve all probably seen fake belief, a person professing belief in Jesus and living the same way they did before getting any interest in Jesus. GOD will not force you to exhibit His Character, but if you tiled to Him you get born from above and HE then raises you up in the way that you should go. If there is no evidence of God’s parenting, you have not yielded to His Life and remain ‘lifeless’. No wafer at a Catholic altar can put God’s life in your human spirit; only God’s Holy Spirit can put God’s Life in your empty canvas bucket, er, your dead spirit.
Show “saving faith” must show forth charity and obedience to the commandments.
That should have been: So “saving faith” must show forth charity and obedience to the commandments.
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>> “But what if we have faith but fail to seek the keep his commandments?” <<
Faith is the keeping of Torah. You have no faith if you see his loving Torah as not worthy of obedience.
If Torah is “written on the fleshly tablets of your heart” how would you then dismiss it?
Words do mean things. If you see the word of Yehova as empty characters on the page, you will act accordingly and find yourself in the same condition as those of whom Peter wrote, who after tasting the things of the Spirit then turn away like dogs returning to their vomit.
If faith is not unto the end, it might as well be vomit.
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Through the Council of Jerusalem, Peter's revelation, and Paul's letter to the Romans we know that keeping of Torah is no longer required. Keeping of the moral law as expressed in the Ten Commandments and the two great commandments of Love God and Love of Neighbor, yes; keeping of Torah, no. In Jesus Christ we have a New Covenant.
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You post nonsense!
Acts ch 15 is completely about how to teach Torah to the new believers.
That is especially evident when they instruct them to hear Moses read every Sabbath day.
The entire book of Acts is about how the apostles diligently kept the feasts and Sabbaths.
There is little else in the entire book.
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