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"Catholics Will Have to Decide Whether They Guard the Faith Over Papolatry"
Gloria TV ^ | July 17, 2017 | Gloria TV

Posted on 07/17/2017 8:08:32 AM PDT by ebb tide

“Francis is more interested in leftwing politics than in Catholic theology”, George Neumayr, contributing editor of The American Spectator, states talking to Tom Woods on July 14th on tomwoods.com. Woods describes Francis as a result of John Paul II who - as he puts it - appointed "absolutely terrible people" as bishops: "Catholics have suffered under Bergoglios for decades now”.

Neumayr agrees that a lot of the liberal bishops were appointed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He sees Francis as the “culmination of a century” of liberalism and modernism in the Church.

For him it is "highly unlikely" that Francis, who in his theology is “more a Protestant than a Catholic” will convert to Catholicism. Instead, the realistic scenario is that Francis will produce division and chaos, "Catholics will have to decide whether they guard the faith over papolatry.”

And: “The Cardinals have to declare that Francis is a bad pope who must be resisted.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch; protestants
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To: Luircin
*shotsfired.jpg*

?

Try again.

841 posted on 07/22/2017 5:19:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin

People who live in rock houses shouldn’t throw glass; either; but THAT never seems to get reported!


842 posted on 07/22/2017 5:20:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petrosius
Perhaps in your mind but I only see crass rationalizations that empty Scripture of its plain meaning in order to protect the preconceived notion of faith alone.

CNMF


843 posted on 07/22/2017 5:21:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
...Paul was seeking to reinforce their assurance ...

Reinforce??!!??

For only $11.95...

844 posted on 07/22/2017 5:22:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petrosius
Again, only your opinion. I will stick with the teachings of God's church and the writings of the saints.

Which ones?


As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18 (And less understood)
 
 
 

Augustine, sermon:

"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

 

Augustine, sermon:

Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

 

Augustine, sermon:

For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

 

Augustine, sermon:

And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

 

Augustine, sermon:

Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

 

Augustine, sermon:

...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

 

Augustine, Psalm LXI:

Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

 

Augustine, in “Retractions,”

In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

 

845 posted on 07/22/2017 5:24:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petrosius
I will stick with the teachings of God's church and the writings of the saints.

Clearly you are NOT going to do this; but FOLLOW what your chosen religion teaches you NOW.

846 posted on 07/22/2017 5:25:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

But.. but... Many are the days when NO cookies were snatched.

Don’t THOSE count?


847 posted on 07/22/2017 5:27:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums
The Catechism of the Catholic Church admits that private confession first came on the scene in the seventh century:

PFFFT!

That was then; this is now!

848 posted on 07/22/2017 5:28:13 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

“You profess to be against the condemnation of any believer in Jesus Christ”

I am.

“While condemning believers in Jesus Christ as modern day Pharisees”

I did no such thing. I was speaking specifically about these “open religion” threads.

“It is thus clear that, like a liberal”

Fallacy of false knowledge. If you knew anything about me, which you don’t, you’d know that I’m many things but a being a liberal isn’t one of them.

“and typical Catholic defender.”

Ah, do tell. Please elaborate at length what a “typical Catholic defender” is. I enjoy reading a good stereotypical comedy. :)

Wishing you & yours a blessed day, every day.


849 posted on 07/22/2017 5:31:09 AM PDT by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by unicorns.)
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To: metmom

“But I suppose one sees what they want to see.”

True! Confirmation bias affects us all.


850 posted on 07/22/2017 5:32:14 AM PDT by TheStickman (And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by unicorns.)
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To: boatbums
So, private confession was introduced a full seven centuries after Christ and His apostles. Ironically the Roman Church curses us if we dare assert the plain historical fact that secret confession to a priest was not observed from the beginning:

It COULDN'T have been; since there were no PRIESTS!


Ephesians 4:11-13 NIV
 
 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,  to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up  until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
 
 
Nope: no priests.

851 posted on 07/22/2017 5:33:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

“The Catechism of the Catholic Church admits that private confession first came on the scene in the seventh century:”

Like a great many Roman practices, this came later, now is read back into Scripture, and is called Apostles tradition.


852 posted on 07/22/2017 5:36:00 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: boatbums
Oh YEAH??!!??

In a few more hours I'll SHOW you I'm right!!!



853 posted on 07/22/2017 5:38:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TheStickman
You are 100% correct as I am against the condemnation of any believer in Jesus Christ, be they Protestant or Catholic.

Well; who AIN'T??

854 posted on 07/22/2017 5:39:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TheStickman
These open “religion” threads are nothing more than a forum for modern day Pharisees to ridicule & condemn...

Yeah.

That's just TERRIBLE when it is seen!!



 
Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23
 
  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
 


Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
 

855 posted on 07/22/2017 5:42:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TheStickman
These open “religion” threads are nothing more than a forum for modern day Pharisees to ridicule & condemn other believers in Jesus Christ.

How do you like your present pope?

856 posted on 07/22/2017 5:43:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Don’t rely on humor found in a book; you must receive it at a Comedy Club, Inc. for it to REALLY (wink, wink) be effective.

Any other ‘humorists’ that you may come across have NOT chosen to be vetted by CCI.

Avoid THEM at all costs!!


857 posted on 07/22/2017 5:46:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Since you have made a willful decision to ignore ME;
then just trust in your stinkin' ol' GPS!!!

Let's SEE if you make it to where you want to go!!!



858 posted on 07/22/2017 5:53:28 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Mark17

On FR, today, it was said,
“The scapular’s simply an aid.
If found round your neck;
it’ll save you from Heck.
Buy one. Don’t be afraid.”


859 posted on 07/22/2017 5:55:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TheStickman

While reading a good stereotypical,
I found Catholic reasoning elliptical.
With words oh so bold,
they’ll spout whatever they’re told;
but really; is it BIBLICAL?


860 posted on 07/22/2017 6:01:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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