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"Catholics Will Have to Decide Whether They Guard the Faith Over Papolatry"
Gloria TV ^ | July 17, 2017 | Gloria TV

Posted on 07/17/2017 8:08:32 AM PDT by ebb tide

“Francis is more interested in leftwing politics than in Catholic theology”, George Neumayr, contributing editor of The American Spectator, states talking to Tom Woods on July 14th on tomwoods.com. Woods describes Francis as a result of John Paul II who - as he puts it - appointed "absolutely terrible people" as bishops: "Catholics have suffered under Bergoglios for decades now”.

Neumayr agrees that a lot of the liberal bishops were appointed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He sees Francis as the “culmination of a century” of liberalism and modernism in the Church.

For him it is "highly unlikely" that Francis, who in his theology is “more a Protestant than a Catholic” will convert to Catholicism. Instead, the realistic scenario is that Francis will produce division and chaos, "Catholics will have to decide whether they guard the faith over papolatry.”

And: “The Cardinals have to declare that Francis is a bad pope who must be resisted.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: francischurch; protestants
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To: Elsie
I have NO idea what constitutes an M sin from a V one; and apparently Rome does NOT teach it's members; either.

I have already told you twice what constitutes a Mortal Sin. But to be more complete: from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

1857 For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent."

1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother." The gravity of sins is more or less great: murder is graver than theft. One must also take into account who is wronged: violence against parents is in itself graver than violence against a stranger.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

Catholics are taught to distinguish between Mortal Sin and Venial Sin and there have been many books which discuss it. But if you do not want to study them then what can I say?
641 posted on 07/20/2017 5:08:18 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius; Elsie
How God views sin.

23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 NASB

642 posted on 07/20/2017 5:13:30 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Elsie

Aw, c’mon. Really?


643 posted on 07/20/2017 5:15:43 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: ealgeone
Why doesn't the article assert the assumption of Enoch and Elijah equate them with Christ?

The Catholic Church equates no one with Jesus Christ. But for your information, neither Enoch nor Elijah, bore the Christ Child.

644 posted on 07/20/2017 5:15:57 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ealgeone

Do you not believe the Bible when it says that some sins are deadly and some are not?


645 posted on 07/20/2017 5:20:26 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Elsie

Context is your friend. “whoever” referred to the person who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit.


646 posted on 07/20/2017 5:20:34 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: ebb tide
The Catholic Church equates no one with Jesus Christ. But for your information, neither Enoch nor Elijah, bore the Christ Child.

Maybe not...but you did in your question.

If the Assumption of Mary is step toward equating Her to Christ, why does the same article not assert that the assumption of Enoch and Elijah also equate them with Christ?

647 posted on 07/20/2017 5:22:24 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Petrosius
Do you not believe the Bible when it says that some sins are deadly and some are not?

Do Roman Catholics not read Romans?

23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23 NASB

648 posted on 07/20/2017 5:23:38 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
Do Roman Catholics not read Romans?

Do not Protestants read 1 John?

If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly. (1 John 5:16-17)

649 posted on 07/20/2017 5:31:06 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: TheStickman; daniel1212

Speak for yourself! Besides, Daniel1212 is not playing games but consistently defends the truth of the Christian faith against anyone who would try to pervert it. It is neither defective nor uncharitable. In fact, he does it because of love - something I think is sorely lacking in the posts of many Catholics on this thread.


650 posted on 07/20/2017 5:40:43 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: Petrosius
Only Mortal Sins need to be forgiven in Confession since Venial Sins do not separate us from God.

I am a Catholic; and I have never been taught that venial sins do not be confessed along with mortal sins.

651 posted on 07/20/2017 5:42:18 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Petrosius
Do not Protestants read 1 John?

If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly. (1 John 5:16-17)

These are not the sins that cause the loss of salvation as all sins are forgiven by Christ.

However, anyone who dies apart from Christ suffers eternal death in Hell. That's what Romans is making clear.

Well, I don't know about Protestants, but Christians read 1 John 1:9

9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

652 posted on 07/20/2017 5:42:29 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
It is good to confess Venial Sins but it is not required. From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1451 Among the penitent's acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is "sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again."

1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called "perfect" (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.

1456 Confession to a priest is an essential part of the sacrament of Penance: "All mortal sins of which penitents after a diligent self-examination are conscious must be recounted by them in confession, even if they are most secret and have been committed against the last two precepts of the Decalogue; for these sins sometimes wound the soul more grievously and are more dangerous than those which are committed openly."

1458 Without being strictly necessary, confession of everyday faults (venial sins) is nevertheless strongly recommended by the Church. Indeed the regular confession of our venial sins helps us form our conscience, fight against evil tendencies, let ourselves be healed by Christ and progress in the life of the Spirit. By receiving more frequently through this sacrament the gift of the Father's mercy, we are spurred to be merciful as he is merciful.

[Emphasis added.]
653 posted on 07/20/2017 5:53:30 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Elsie; Petrosius
There seems to be a confusion over what it takes to GET 'saved' and what it takes to STAY 'saved'.

And since being "saved" pertains to our ultimate salvation in heaven with God when we die or otherwise leave this earth, "getting" and "staying" saved are the SAME thing. Right?

654 posted on 07/20/2017 6:09:16 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: Petrosius

Some sins bring God’s immediate judgment and result in the physical (early) death of the sinner (e.g., Acts 5:1–11; 1 Cor. 5:5; 11:30).

Other sins do not.

This is the only distinction made in Scripture.


655 posted on 07/20/2017 6:16:19 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Petrosius

56 Q. If one has only venial sins to confess, must he be sorry for all of them?

A. If one has only venial sins to confess it is enough to repent of some of them for his confession to be valid; but to obtain pardon of all of them it is necessary to repent of all he remembers having committed.

57 Q. If one has only venial sins to confess and if he does not repent of even one of them, does he make a good confession?

A. If one confesses only venial sins without having sorrow for at least one of them, his confession is in vain; moreover it would be sacrilegious if the absence of sorrow was conscious.

58 Q. What should be done to render the confession of only venial sins more secure?

A. To render the confession of venial sins more secure it is prudent also to confess with true sorrow some grave sin of the past, even though it has been already confessed.

59 Q. Is it well to make an act of contrition often?

A. It is well and most useful to make an act of contrition often, especially before going to sleep or when we know we have or fear we have fallen into mortal sin, in order to recover God’s grace as soon as possible; and this practice will make it easier for us to obtain from God the grace of making a like act at time of our greatest need, that is, when in danger of death.

Catechism of Pope St Pius X.


656 posted on 07/20/2017 6:26:55 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: Petrosius

If baptism is what saves a Roman Catholic, and mortal sin causes one to lose their salvation....why doesn’t the Roman Catholic have to be re-baptized again in order to regain salvation?


657 posted on 07/20/2017 6:35:22 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide
Those only apply if we confess our venial sins. From the same catechism:
72 Q. What sins are we bound to confess?
A. We are bound to confess all our mortal sins; it is well, however, to confess our venial sins also.

658 posted on 07/20/2017 6:43:01 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: editor-surveyor
Yes its the word

Thanks, glad you at least recognize Scripture DOES say we are saved by grace through faith and that not of ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. That's all I asked.

It definitely does not say that the grace is the source of salvation. Nice try though!

Excuse me! Scripture most certainly DOES say that grace is the source of our salvation. How else can someone be made righteous without the grace of God? Paul stated:

    For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now the wages of the worker are not credited as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness,…..It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression. Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. (Romans 4:3-5;13-16)

659 posted on 07/20/2017 6:44:12 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: ealgeone
If baptism is what saves a Roman Catholic, and mortal sin causes one to lose their salvation....why doesn’t the Roman Catholic have to be re-baptized again in order to regain salvation?

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church

1272 Incorporated into Christ by Baptism, the person baptized is configured to Christ. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark (character) of his belonging to Christ. No sin can erase this mark, even if sin prevents Baptism from bearing the fruits of salvation. Given once for all, Baptism cannot be repeated.
For sin committed after Baptism our Lord instituted the sacrament of Penance (see John 20:33).
660 posted on 07/20/2017 6:51:23 PM PDT by Petrosius
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