"Catholics Will Have to Decide Whether They Guard the Faith Over Papolatry"

Gloria TV ^ | July 17, 2017 | Gloria TV

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“Francis is more interested in leftwing politics than in Catholic theology”, George Neumayr, contributing editor of The American Spectator, states talking to Tom Woods on July 14th on tomwoods.com. Woods describes Francis as a result of John Paul II who - as he puts it - appointed "absolutely terrible people" as bishops: "Catholics have suffered under Bergoglios for decades now”.

Neumayr agrees that a lot of the liberal bishops were appointed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI. He sees Francis as the “culmination of a century” of liberalism and modernism in the Church.

For him it is "highly unlikely" that Francis, who in his theology is “more a Protestant than a Catholic” will convert to Catholicism. Instead, the realistic scenario is that Francis will produce division and chaos, "Catholics will have to decide whether they guard the faith over papolatry.”

And: “The Cardinals have to declare that Francis is a bad pope who must be resisted.”

[Elsie]

Mainstream ‘christian’ beliefs are completely without scriptural basis,

Just keep typing; I'll keep BOLDING...

[BlueDragon]

You wanted an essay?

As long as it'll fit on a bumper sticker (makes it easier to reply to, with yet another bumper sticker-sized statement) they'll be good with it? Good with attacking that, I mean.

I don't know what these people's problem is.

I type s-l-o-w. I swear I do.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Aaaaarrrrrgh!!! Run!!!

[editor-surveyor]

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“.,.through faith...”

Grace cannot save, it can only give the opportunity to begin the process.

Only faith that endures to the end can give the opportunity for everlasting life that is made possible by the change of bodies at the last Trump.

Ephesians 2:8 credits Faith, not grace.

You try to read it “by faith we are saved by grace” but if grace could do the trick what happened to those Peter wrote of who after they tasted the things of the spirit returned like dogs to their own vomit?

The word opposes what you are trying to create.
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[editor-surveyor]

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When will you start reading what Yeshua said?

Or what Peter said? or what Paul said without inverting his meaning?
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[Luircin]

I’ve read the book lots of times.

And I can state with supreme confidence that your statement is full of bullshit.

A big steaming load.

See, I can be nasty and arrogant too.

[Petrosius]

There is no “Church,” nor “new” covenant.

See, days are coming—oracle of the LORD—when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. (Jer. 31:31)

With them I will [future tense] make an everlasting covenant, never to cease doing good to them; I will put fear of me in their hearts so that they never turn away from me. (Jer. 32:40)

And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant [καινη διαθηκη] in my blood, which will be shed for you." (Luke 22:20)

The main point of what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken his seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, a minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle that the Lord, not man, set up. Now every high priest is appointed to offer gifts and sacrifices; thus the necessity for this one also to have something to offer. If then he were on earth, he would not be a priest, since there are those who offer gifts according to the law. They worship in a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary, as Moses was warned when he was about to erect the tabernacle. For he says, “See that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” Now he has obtained so much more excellent a ministry as he is mediator of a better covenant, enacted on better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, no place would have been sought for a second one. But he finds fault with them and says:

“Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord,
when I will conclude a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers
the day I took them by the hand to lead them forth from the land of Egypt;
for they did not stand by my covenant
and I ignored them, says the Lord.

But this is the covenant I will establish with the house of Israel
after those days, says the Lord:
I will put my laws in their minds
and I will write them upon their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.

And they shall not teach, each one his fellow citizen
and kinsman, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for all shall know me,
from least to greatest.

For I will forgive their evildoing
and remember their sins no more.”

When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing.

[Petrosius]

The last citation was from Hebrews 8:1-13.

[boatbums]

From the link:

"According to Rev. Misener this group is very deceptive in how they approach churches and individuals. 'At first glance this group appears harmless,' Rev. Misener stated, 'But once you sit down and dig into their doctrinal stands they become pretty destructive. While they call themselves a Messianic Jewish movement similar to Jews for Jesus, they are far from that. They actually teach that unless we return to the observance of the Sabbath on Saturday, and the celebration of the Jewish festivals we are an abomination to the Lord. It's like reading from the Book of Galatians where the Judaisers came in and told the Gentiles they need to observe all Jewish traditions and laws. In fact... this group would not consider evangelicals to be Christians at all. And they are VERY secretive about their belief system.'" (The Alliance Echo, quoted in the newsletter of the Hibbing, MN, CMA church newsletter, Nov. 1998)

Thanks for the information. Now we know why repeated requests for a statement of faith for what their beliefs actually are keep being ignored.

[editor-surveyor]

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If you actually read Jeremiah you will see that it is a renewed covenant that is the old covenant satisfied by Yeshua’s sinless blood, with Torah written on our hearts.

How many do you see here that show any evidence of keeping Torah willingly as they would were it written on their hearts?
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[boatbums]

More:

**Rood has not denounced the teachings and beliefs he held when he was a follower of The Way International (TWI). His biography claims that he is an "ordained nondenominational Christian minister," but does not state that it is The Way Int. which ordained him. By implying that this ordination gives him credibility, and that the ordaining body is credible, he misrepresents his background. TWI taught many nonChristian teachings, including obedience to universal laws (the "laws" of prosperity, believing, etc), that Jesus Christ was a perfect man but not human and divine, that the Holy Spirit is not a personal being, that the filling of the Holy Spirit just amounts to people regaining their own spirit which was lost at the Fall, that many verses of the Bible are untrustworthy because they were altered hundreds of years after they were written, and so forth.

I seem to recall the arguments against the doctrine of the Trinity, the existence of the Holy Spirit who is God and the deity of Jesus Christ. Heck, even the name of Jesus Christ is criticized!

As to the insistence that NOWHERE in Scripture is it said we are saved by God's grace, they must ignore Acts 15:10,11 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

[editor-surveyor]

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P.S.
John states the same thing in his first epistle:

1John2:

[7] Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
[8] Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth

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[boatbums]

The number UPSIDE DOWN! :o)

[editor-surveyor]

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Michael’s clear and obvious spiritual gifts are what validate his ministry.

Ordination by man’s nicolaitan bodies has no spiritual meaning.

The “Cronological Gospels” are a strong anointment from the Holy Spirit.
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[Petrosius]

If you actually read Jeremiah you will see that it is a renewed covenant that is the old covenant satisfied by Yeshua’s sinless blood, with Torah written on our hearts.

Yes, let us read further. The next verses:

It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors the day I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt. They broke my covenant, though I was their master—oracle of the LORD. But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days—oracle of the LORD. I will place my law within them, and write it upon their hearts; I will be their God, and they shall be my people. They will no longer teach their friends and relatives, “Know the LORD!” Everyone, from least to greatest, shall know me—oracle of the LORD—for I will forgive their iniquity and no longer remember their sin. (Jer. 31:32-34)

Did you see that: IT WILL NOT BE LIKE THE COVENANT I MADE WITH THEIR ANCESTORS THE I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT.

This is a different covenant, not just a renewal of the old. The law [i.e. the eternal law of loving God and one's neighbor, not the temporal law of the former covenant] will be written on their hearts by the Holy Spirit. This is something that the Old Covenant did not do. These two covenants are different.

[boatbums]

Look how good and how pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity! ;o)

Glad to see there are many things we agree on.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Now we know why repeated requests for a statement of faith for what their beliefs actually are keep being ignored.

We must tell the truth about what Rood hides - and his sycophants.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Michael’s clear and obvious spiritual gifts are what validate his ministry.

Unsaved cultists do not have spiritual gifts - unless you are referring to demons.

[boatbums]

So, do YOU validate along with Rood:

that Jesus Christ was a perfect man but not human and divine?

that the Holy Spirit is not a personal being?

that the filling of the Holy Spirit just amounts to people regaining their own spirit which was lost at the Fall?

that many verses of the Bible are untrustworthy because they were altered hundreds of years after they were written?

[Petrosius]

Commandment, not covenant. Let us look at the whole passage:

Beloved, I am writing no new commandment to you but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard. And yet I do write a new commandment to you, which holds true in him and among you, for the darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining. Whoever says he is in the light, yet hates his brother, is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother remains in the light, and there is nothing in him to cause a fall. Whoever hates his brother is in darkness; he walks in darkness and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes.(1 John 2:7-11)

This "commandment" is to love one's brother, not the Mosaic Law. Unlike the Mosaic Law, which God established on Mount Sinai, the commandment to love one's brother is eternal and predates Sinai. Thus when Cain killed Abel he sinned and broke this commandment even though "thou shalt not kill" had yet to be engraved on the stone tablets at Sinai.

There is often a misunderstanding of the relationship of the Ten Commandments to the rest of the Mosaic Law. Torah, or the Mosaic Law, is provisional. It only existed for a certain people at a certain time. The Gentiles did not violate Torah because it did not apply to them. Nor did the Israel before Sinai because the Mosaic Law did not yet exist. The law expressed in the Ten Commandments, however, is universal and eternal. They are merely summaries of the double commandments to love God and to love your neighbor. The prohibitions expressed are not sins because they are written in the Ten Commandments; they are written in the Ten Commandments because they have always been sins.