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How to Think About Luther?
Crisis Magazine ^ | July 12, 2017 | James Kalb

Posted on 07/12/2017 4:52:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

How to Think About Luther?

James Kalb

Traditionally, Catholics have viewed Luther as a heresiarch, and the Lutheran break from Rome as a religious and civilizational catastrophe. More recently, in line with current ecumenical and pastoral initiatives, that view has softened.

The softening has been quite noticeable during the current pontificate. The pope recently took part in a joint liturgy with the Church of Sweden to commemorate the five hundredth anniversary of Luther’s rebellion. He has also suggested informally that a Lutheran married to a Catholic might legitimately decide to receive communion from a Catholic priest, and that disputes between Catholics and Lutherans over the doctrine of justification, the basic point at issue in Luther’s split with Rome, are now a thing of the past.

More generally, some papal language regarding law and mercy suggests movement away from the Catholic view that grace enables us to overcome our sins toward Luther’s view that it simply frees us from their consequences. Examples include the comment in Amoris Laetitia that

conscience can … recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking … while yet not fully the objective ideal.

So if you think it’s all you can do, that’s probably all God is looking for. Luther’s pecca fortiter, “sin boldly,” was based on a similar line of thought.

Are these moves in the right direction? The Church is hierarchical, and it is the pope and other clergy who are charged with teaching doctrine and determining appropriate pastoral and ecumenical efforts. Even so, laymen can hardly avoid forming their own views, and many Catholics find that recent ecumenical efforts have done more harm than good, as has a tendency to confuse “pastoral” with “accepting that people do whatever they do.”

Laymen have the right and even obligation to present these concerns. The issues matter a great deal, and not simply for churchly reasons. Our secular authorities are convinced they have the solution to all social and political problems, at least in principle, and can put it into effect through a global managed system that recognizes nothing human outside it, no authoritative God above it, no enduring human nature beneath it, and no significant history behind it other than the history of its own coming into being. Everything is a social construction, and they will do the constructing.

The project is unfounded, overreaching, and destructive, and Catholics should oppose it. But the ecumenical and interfaith movements, along with proposals for loosening sacramental discipline to accept common practices in the name of “accompaniment,” support it by sidelining specific religious principle. They turn it into something like the British monarchy, which lends historical depth and dignity to a modern utilitarian bureaucracy but does not affect its substance. So those who view current political and social trends as anti-Catholic and anti-human have an additional reason for concern regarding ecumenical and pastoral tendencies in the Church that support them.

Concern regarding the changing Catholic attitude toward Luther is all the more justified because he’s the man who initiated the Protestant split from Rome, a fundamental event in the emergence of the modern world, and a variety of liberal and radical movements have claimed him as an inspiration. So if we are troubled by the trend toward a global society organized through and through on wholly secular and increasingly intolerant principles, and want to understand where the trend comes from, we should know something about his thought and deeds and their consequences.

A recently published collection of essays put out by the Roman Forum, an organization founded by Dietrich von Hildebrand, can help. Luther and His Progeny: 500 Years of Protestantism & Its Consequences for Church, State, and Society includes pieces by a dozen European and American scholars of varying backgrounds, each with his own outlook and concerns, but all troubled by the man, the movement he launched, and current efforts to enlist them, along with Catholicism, in a grand scheme of political, social, and religious unification. Each essay is independent of the others, but collectively they cover the basic issues that led Luther to reject the Church, as well as the effects of his rebellion on European thought and society.

Taken together they present the picture of a revolution in religion, politics, law, ethics, economics, and even the natural sciences, the effects of which profoundly shape our present world. At bottom, what seems to have led Luther to break with Rome was his overwhelming sense of guilt over his inability to keep the moral law. He was in a mess, and the Catholic road of humility, penitence, forgiveness, sacrament, grace, and sanctification didn’t seem to be working for him, so he decided that the world itself is one huge irreversible mess. Man is totally depraved, reason a snare, free will an illusion, and the Church can do nothing and so is fundamentally useless. To make matters worse, God himself is willful, incomprehensible, and even self-contradictory, since he is good but makes man incapable of anything but evil.

Under such circumstances what do we do, if it makes sense to ask the question when we have no inclination or ability to think or choose rightly? Basically, Luther’s answer was to rely wholly on the mercy of Christ, who might—or might not—choose to cover up our sins and accept us as justified even though we would inevitably remain as corrupt as ever.

These are not reasonable views. How, for example, is a God worthy of love, worship, and trust who condemns to eternal torment sinners he made incapable of acting otherwise, but then arbitrarily chooses some, who are no better than the others, for forgiveness and eternal bliss? The best that can be done for such views intellectually, one of the essayists suggests, is to view them as a precursor of German idealism, which treats contradiction as fundamental to reality and its dialectical resolution as the basis of the self-construction of the Absolute. At the transcendent level that means, as Luther put it, that “God must first become the devil before he becomes God.” And at the human level, it means faith goes through radically different stages, with the transitions involving overwhelming temptations to unbelief and blasphemy, and ultimate resolution not possible in this world.

Some people think that sort of explanation makes sense, others don’t. A more psychological and likely more comprehensible approach that some have recently proposed is to portray him as a “mystic of mercy,” overwhelmed by the infinitude of divine grace, whose words cannot be taken literally. (Muslims take the same approach with their own mystics, whose words are rarely compatible with orthodox Islam.)

That approach may explain something of the man, but not the movement he started: people don’t look to the incoherent outbursts of mystics for practical tips on the reform of Church, State, and doctrine, but that’s exactly what Luther offered, and what people took from him.

The specifics are complicated. His thought wasn’t coherent, so people took from it what suited them. At bottom, though, denying the practical effectiveness of religion tended strongly to liberate secular affairs from religious concerns, and destroy the authority and the sacramental structure of the Church. And that, it appears, was the reason for the success of his rebellion. By insisting on the irrelevance of divine law to what men actually do, Luther enabled secular powers to shake off the authority of the Church, set themselves up as absolute within their domains, and incidentally enrich themselves and their supporters with the property that an ineffectual Church could no longer justify possessing.

All of which remains relevant today. Secular authorities still don’t like religious limitations, so if a contemporary religious leader wants to exchange scorn for adulation, all he has to do is ignore distinctions, loosen restrictions, and proclaim mercy without penitence or emendation of life. Neither talent, virtue, nor rational coherence is needed, only a willingness to go along in order to get along. And there are many high-ranking churchmen who are eager to accept the deal.

Editor’s note: Pictured above is Pope Francis with the General Secretary of the Lutheran World Federation Rev. Martin Junge (right) and the President of the Lutheran World Federation Bishop Munib Younan (far left) attending an ecumenical prayer service at the Lutheran cathedral in Lund, Sweden, Oct. 31. (Photo credit: CNS photo/Paul Haring)



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; luther
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To: bigmak007

Your forefather’s cabin has no impact upon the thoughts of Jefferson which — especially in light of the fact that what Jefferson and his fellows were declaring independence from was the dominion over their faith by fallible, uninspired, and opinionated King makers across the pond — refute assertions of some “a narrow funnel of faith”.

“I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN”


181 posted on 07/12/2017 10:30:22 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Per Special and General Relativity - does time progress at the same rate everywhere? NO, as practically demonstrated in GPS systems - it does not.

What happens to T as E approaches infinity and what impact does that have in the context of the 6, literal, 24 hour Creation days asserted by LCMS (with an established pattern of concealing facts) dogma?


182 posted on 07/12/2017 10:33:08 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

All coordinate systems are created equal, as are all observers, according to Einstein. The results are equally valid. You should know this. So, the answer is yes, but it’s not decisive as you seem to believe it to be. You’re very resistant to a truth that is outside your narrow orthodoxy as you define it, which is odd given your replies on this thread. Why is that? Consensus science?


183 posted on 07/12/2017 10:59:29 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: HLPhat; Luircin; RegulatorCountry
>>Was your wife aware of it<<

Not during her 25+ year tenure in LCMS schools.

Not doubting your truthfulness, but how is it she had no idea about this when it was known as one of Hitler's justification for his pogroms in the 1940's and a good study of Luther's works would not have omitted it? Nor was it a secret that he had written antisemitic sentiments and the Lutheran organization formally repudiated it decades ago. I don't think anyone was hiding it.

So, do you think everything else Luther wrote has to be tossed out? A case can be made that even the Bible contains what some would call antisemitism. Should we just disregard all it says, too? Not being argumentative here, I just think we should judge a man by his entire life - his good parts as well as his bad. Luther never killed a Jewish person nor did he encourage others to do so. I think Hitler and his ilk even today (i.e., KKK, White Supremacists) would look for any way they can rationalize their prejudices. I can't help but see some of your own on this thread. You don't want to be a Lutheran? Then don't be. Find another church that makes you comfortable and teaches what you believe. But, by the same token, I don't think you should be castigating today's Lutherans for admiring the man Martin Luther. I think there is much there to admire.

184 posted on 07/12/2017 11:05:23 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I have no idea about whether she is enjoying eternal life. I do know that she is on every thread related to Catholicism (except caucus threads) with lying, snarky, bitter attacks on (her cartoon version of) Catholicism.


185 posted on 07/13/2017 1:10:13 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: ebb tide
How to Think About Luther?

How?

Perhaps WHY is more the question.

WHAT had the Wonderful, One True Church; Keeper of the Faith; Bulwark of Salvation been doing before Luther started wondering...

WHO was Luther??

WHERE did he spring from?

WHEN did he get fed up with Rome's practices?


I hope that these questions are dealt with in this thread.



186 posted on 07/13/2017 3:24:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HLPhat
It WAS Christ, after all, who freed us - Not the Marty Party!

I wonder when CHRIST will be released from the whims of his 'mother'?

187 posted on 07/13/2017 3:26:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Steelfish
Luther’s curse on the teachings of Christ has sent many souls to Gehenna

I just HATE when that happens!



Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

188 posted on 07/13/2017 3:28:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: NFHale
Every time a Protestant bashes a Catholic, or a Catholic insults a Protestant, the Moslems and their liberal/commie allies laugh and get stronger and try to find a way to drive a wedge deeper.


HMMMmmm...


Luke 12:51-53

 Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth?
No, I tell you, but rather division.
 For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three.
 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

189 posted on 07/13/2017 3:33:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide

The kind that still needs the human mouth to lick it?


190 posted on 07/13/2017 3:34:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin
Yes, and Catholics are happy being in communion with ‘heretics.’ And sodomites.

They MUST be so intimidated by the powers that be (in Rome) that they'd NEVER think of storming the castle with pitchforks and tar!

That little practice seems to be reserved for the audacious Prots that abound these days.

191 posted on 07/13/2017 3:38:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Luircin; ebb tide
So when Pope Frank demands that you embrace sodomy or get excommunicated, you’ll be fine with that?

"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."

--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215) 

192 posted on 07/13/2017 3:48:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Bergoglio is a Luther wannabe.

So; if I gift wrap a hammer and send it to him...

193 posted on 07/13/2017 3:51:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Darn you and your 'history' books!!


194 posted on 07/13/2017 3:52:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: HLPhat

Is this gonna end up being another C vs E thread?


195 posted on 07/13/2017 3:53:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Your obsessive, pathological hate shines through in post after post after post...


196 posted on 07/13/2017 3:59:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fortes fortuna juvat
... I recently saw an article that alleges there is evidence ...

NY Times?

I've read articles from them that ALLEGE that Trump and the Russians are colluding about something or another.

Though I've yet to see any actual EVIDENCE.

197 posted on 07/13/2017 4:02:02 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Why would anyone who now has eternal life, knows God and is sealed by the Holy Spirit, give the least amount of care about who goes to some other denomination??

2 Timothy 4:2 comes to mind...


Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and encourage with every form of patient instruction.

198 posted on 07/13/2017 4:06:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Mark17
Why would anyone who now has eternal life,

NOW you've done it!


199 posted on 07/13/2017 4:06:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rashputin
We Catholics do pray for the plow boys and milk maids, though,

And we publicans thank you for it!



Luke 18:11

The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people-robbers, evildoers, adulterers-or even like this tax collector.

200 posted on 07/13/2017 4:08:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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