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How to Think About Luther?
Crisis Magazine ^ | July 12, 2017 | James Kalb

Posted on 07/12/2017 4:52:31 PM PDT by ebb tide

How to Think About Luther?

James Kalb

Traditionally, Catholics have viewed Luther as a heresiarch, and the Lutheran break from Rome as a religious and civilizational catastrophe. More recently, in line with current ecumenical and pastoral initiatives, that view has softened.

The softening has been quite noticeable during the current pontificate. The pope recently took part in a joint liturgy with the Church of Sweden to commemorate the five hundredth anniversary of Luther’s rebellion. He has also suggested informally that a Lutheran married to a Catholic might legitimately decide to receive communion from a Catholic priest, and that disputes between Catholics and Lutherans over the doctrine of justification, the basic point at issue in Luther’s split with Rome, are now a thing of the past.

More generally, some papal language regarding law and mercy suggests movement away from the Catholic view that grace enables us to overcome our sins toward Luther’s view that it simply frees us from their consequences. Examples include the comment in Amoris Laetitia that

conscience can … recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking … while yet not fully the objective ideal.

So if you think it’s all you can do, that’s probably all God is looking for. Luther’s pecca fortiter, “sin boldly,” was based on a similar line of thought.

Are these moves in the right direction? The Church is hierarchical, and it is the pope and other clergy who are charged with teaching doctrine and determining appropriate pastoral and ecumenical efforts. Even so, laymen can hardly avoid forming their own views, and many Catholics find that recent ecumenical efforts have done more harm than good, as has a tendency to confuse “pastoral” with “accepting that people do whatever they do.”

Laymen have the right and even obligation to present these concerns. The issues matter a great deal, and not simply for churchly reasons. Our secular authorities are convinced they have the solution to all social and political problems, at least in principle, and can put it into effect through a global managed system that recognizes nothing human outside it, no authoritative God above it, no enduring human nature beneath it, and no significant history behind it other than the history of its own coming into being. Everything is a social construction, and they will do the constructing.

The project is unfounded, overreaching, and destructive, and Catholics should oppose it. But the ecumenical and interfaith movements, along with proposals for loosening sacramental discipline to accept common practices in the name of “accompaniment,” support it by sidelining specific religious principle. They turn it into something like the British monarchy, which lends historical depth and dignity to a modern utilitarian bureaucracy but does not affect its substance. So those who view current political and social trends as anti-Catholic and anti-human have an additional reason for concern regarding ecumenical and pastoral tendencies in the Church that support them.

Concern regarding the changing Catholic attitude toward Luther is all the more justified because he’s the man who initiated the Protestant split from Rome, a fundamental event in the emergence of the modern world, and a variety of liberal and radical movements have claimed him as an inspiration. So if we are troubled by the trend toward a global society organized through and through on wholly secular and increasingly intolerant principles, and want to understand where the trend comes from, we should know something about his thought and deeds and their consequences.

A recently published collection of essays put out by the Roman Forum, an organization founded by Dietrich von Hildebrand, can help. Luther and His Progeny: 500 Years of Protestantism & Its Consequences for Church, State, and Society includes pieces by a dozen European and American scholars of varying backgrounds, each with his own outlook and concerns, but all troubled by the man, the movement he launched, and current efforts to enlist them, along with Catholicism, in a grand scheme of political, social, and religious unification. Each essay is independent of the others, but collectively they cover the basic issues that led Luther to reject the Church, as well as the effects of his rebellion on European thought and society.

Taken together they present the picture of a revolution in religion, politics, law, ethics, economics, and even the natural sciences, the effects of which profoundly shape our present world. At bottom, what seems to have led Luther to break with Rome was his overwhelming sense of guilt over his inability to keep the moral law. He was in a mess, and the Catholic road of humility, penitence, forgiveness, sacrament, grace, and sanctification didn’t seem to be working for him, so he decided that the world itself is one huge irreversible mess. Man is totally depraved, reason a snare, free will an illusion, and the Church can do nothing and so is fundamentally useless. To make matters worse, God himself is willful, incomprehensible, and even self-contradictory, since he is good but makes man incapable of anything but evil.

Under such circumstances what do we do, if it makes sense to ask the question when we have no inclination or ability to think or choose rightly? Basically, Luther’s answer was to rely wholly on the mercy of Christ, who might—or might not—choose to cover up our sins and accept us as justified even though we would inevitably remain as corrupt as ever.

These are not reasonable views. How, for example, is a God worthy of love, worship, and trust who condemns to eternal torment sinners he made incapable of acting otherwise, but then arbitrarily chooses some, who are no better than the others, for forgiveness and eternal bliss? The best that can be done for such views intellectually, one of the essayists suggests, is to view them as a precursor of German idealism, which treats contradiction as fundamental to reality and its dialectical resolution as the basis of the self-construction of the Absolute. At the transcendent level that means, as Luther put it, that “God must first become the devil before he becomes God.” And at the human level, it means faith goes through radically different stages, with the transitions involving overwhelming temptations to unbelief and blasphemy, and ultimate resolution not possible in this world.

Some people think that sort of explanation makes sense, others don’t. A more psychological and likely more comprehensible approach that some have recently proposed is to portray him as a “mystic of mercy,” overwhelmed by the infinitude of divine grace, whose words cannot be taken literally. (Muslims take the same approach with their own mystics, whose words are rarely compatible with orthodox Islam.)

That approach may explain something of the man, but not the movement he started: people don’t look to the incoherent outbursts of mystics for practical tips on the reform of Church, State, and doctrine, but that’s exactly what Luther offered, and what people took from him.

The specifics are complicated. His thought wasn’t coherent, so people took from it what suited them. At bottom, though, denying the practical effectiveness of religion tended strongly to liberate secular affairs from religious concerns, and destroy the authority and the sacramental structure of the Church. And that, it appears, was the reason for the success of his rebellion. By insisting on the irrelevance of divine law to what men actually do, Luther enabled secular powers to shake off the authority of the Church, set themselves up as absolute within their domains, and incidentally enrich themselves and their supporters with the property that an ineffectual Church could no longer justify possessing.

All of which remains relevant today. Secular authorities still don’t like religious limitations, so if a contemporary religious leader wants to exchange scorn for adulation, all he has to do is ignore distinctions, loosen restrictions, and proclaim mercy without penitence or emendation of life. Neither talent, virtue, nor rational coherence is needed, only a willingness to go along in order to get along. And there are many high-ranking churchmen who are eager to accept the deal.

Editor’s note: Pictured above is Pope Francis with the General Secretary of the Lutheran World Federation Rev. Martin Junge (right) and the President of the Lutheran World Federation Bishop Munib Younan (far left) attending an ecumenical prayer service at the Lutheran cathedral in Lund, Sweden, Oct. 31. (Photo credit: CNS photo/Paul Haring)



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bergoglio; luther
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To: RegulatorCountry

No need to apologize, but accepted anyways.

It IS one of my biggest pet peeves to get lumped in with the liberal ELCA, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Nx8QqiADyw

Something like this.


141 posted on 07/12/2017 8:22:06 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: RegulatorCountry
>>I can only imagine

Can only - or - WILL only.

"We are at liberty to be real, or to be unreal. We may be true or false, the choice is ours. We may wear now one mask and now another, and never, if we so desire, appear with our own true face. But we cannot make these choices with impunity. Causes have effects, and if we lie to ourselves and to others, then we cannot expect to find truth and reality whenever we happen to want them.
If we have chosen the way of falsity we must not be surprised that truth eludes us when we finally come to need it!"

--Thomas Merton

"The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true."
--Albert Einstein

{ golf clap for the LCMS' curricular stewards }

142 posted on 07/12/2017 8:22:39 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

You know, I still have no idea what you’re kvetching about.

Are you complaining that we DON’T teach anti-Semitism?


143 posted on 07/12/2017 8:24:43 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

Anabaptist might disagree.


144 posted on 07/12/2017 8:29:33 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: Luircin
>>I don’t know what LCMS you’re talking about.

It's the one whose schools indoctrinated children to regurgitate from some of Martin Luther's writings for an hour every morning.... while hiding other things he wrote that they didn't want to deal with.

It's the one who has ICONified the drunken anti-Semite in celebration of the Reformation.

That one.

145 posted on 07/12/2017 8:29:42 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: boatbums

>>Did Luther Regret the Reformation?

Boatbums, I appreciate your suggestion, briefly scanned your link, and plan to “educate” myself as you’ve suggested by a thorough reading of this work.


146 posted on 07/12/2017 8:30:10 PM PDT by fortes fortuna juvat
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To: Luircin

 

"We are at liberty to be real, or to be unreal. We may be true or false, the choice is ours. We may wear now one mask and now another, and never, if we so desire, appear with our own true face. But we cannot make these choices with impunity. Causes have effects, and if we lie to ourselves and to others, then we cannot expect to find truth and reality whenever we happen to want them. 
If we have chosen the way of falsity we must not be surprised that truth eludes us when we finally come to need it!"

--Thomas Merton

"The right to search for truth implies also a duty; one must not conceal any part of what one has recognized to be true."
--Albert Einstein



147 posted on 07/12/2017 8:30:43 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Oh, I see. You’re complaining that we take a textbook that explains God’s Word and teach it in schools, but we don’t teach EVERYTHING else by the writer. Kind of like how Baptists are evil for teaching Holy Scripture, and then not teaching little kids about everything they wrote in support of slavery in the 1800s. And the Amish are evil because they don’t teach about how the Anabaptists in the Kingdom of Muenster were perfectly correct. And Catholics are evil because they don’t teach how the Inquisitors were holy and perfect. And how nondenominational Christians are evil because they don’t go around banging people like Jim Bakker did.

Your statement has to be in the running for stupidest thing I’ve ever read.


148 posted on 07/12/2017 8:36:50 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin
I’m still amazed at how much angrier Catholics are at Dr. Luther than they are at the Pope who is turning a blind eye to sodomy cocaine orgies in the Vatican.

I notice that, too.

What I really think is happening with this regularly bringing up of Luther on the Religion Forum is that it's a kind of covert slap in the face of all Freeper "Protestants". I put that in quotes because no matter how many times it has been explained that not every non-Cath Christian is a "Protestant", there are several Catholic anti-Protestant bigots who INSIST we all are whether we want to accept the label or not. These people assume Luther IS the Reformation - that it started with him - and we all follow him even five centuries later. Ergo, if Luther is teh debble, then we're all debbles, too. Clear?

Strangely enough, they simply ignore or brush off the exposure of the dozens of REAL devilish Popes they have had leading their religion almost from the start. I think the LDS blinds them to their own hypocrisy. Luther never killed anyone, committed adultery, kept mistresses, had illegitimate children, murdered his competitors or opponents, stole vast sums of money, bribed fellow cardinals, fixed conclaves, installed his own bastard sons as bishops or cardinals or Popes, connived with foreign rulers to gain political power, or any number of various and sundry sins DOCUMENTED about the Roman Catholic hierarchy. But Luther is condemned because he recognized the rot at the top and the perversion of the Gospel and set about to remedy it at the leading of the Holy Spirit. For his trouble he was excommunicated and a death sentence was handed down. Yet not a one of those demonic Popes was ever deposed much less excommunicated! Odd don't you think?

149 posted on 07/12/2017 8:37:28 PM PDT by boatbums (The Law is a storm which wrecks your hopes of self-salvation, but washes you upon the Rock of Ages.)
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To: xkaydet65

Anabaptist might disagree.

***

Anabaptists can take comfort in the fact that a violent overthrow of the government in Muenster is not the same as daring to be Jewish in Spain.


150 posted on 07/12/2017 8:39:41 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

>>but we don’t teach EVERYTHING else by the writer

It was CONCEALED - at every level, even from the teachers who should’ve been warned of its existence and prepared with some sort of doctrinal refutation.

Concealed by the same system in which children were indoctrinated to REGURGITATE Martin Luther.

How do you think that works when they discover Luther’s anti-Semitic writings, in the context of the LCMS dogmatic clinging to a 24 hour creation day despite the REALITY of Special Relativity?

Survey says...

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Postgenderism

...they, and their children, reject EVERYTHING they were indoctrinated with, and embrace Cultural Marxist insanity self-evident in the religious community that, today, operates in the spirit of anti-Christ — telling them whatever they WANT to hear.

Hey, why not join a “church” that just teach the bits that don’t make you uncomfortable, because, that’s what the LCMS did, when it concealed and assumed dominion over their regurgitive faith.

Monkey see, monkey do!

Go’head. Give yourself a dominion-assuming dogmatic golf-clap.


151 posted on 07/12/2017 8:50:05 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: boatbums

Yet not a one of those demonic Popes was ever deposed much less excommunicated! Odd don’t you think?

***

Very odd.

But confront them with the fact, or the whole gay-orgies-in-the-Vatican thing, or the selling-climate-change thing, or the indulgences thing, and all you get is, “WE WUZ STARTED BY JEEEEEEEEZUSSSS!”

Altered for mockery, of course.

I’m beginning to wonder if many Catholics are starting to recognize the problem in the Vatican right now. But they were taught since they were kids that anyone who breaks away from the Roman curate is EEEEEEVIL. When confronted with Scripture and the evils of the popes and the current evils going on, the only response is either to blame Luther or to just repeat over and over and over ‘we were first we were first we were first we were first.’

I’m just imagining a fetal position, honestly.

Though that may just be my overactive imagination.


152 posted on 07/12/2017 8:52:04 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: HLPhat

I repeat.

In the running for stupidest thing I’ve ever read.

Utterly illogical. Delivered at just the right balance of vanity and idiocy, with just a tincture of hypocrisy.

Give yourself a hand. Perfect flame bait.

I’m done with you; just felt like calling ya out once more for delivering such utterly pathetic arguments.

Bye now.


153 posted on 07/12/2017 8:55:55 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Luircin

>>I’m beginning to wonder if many Catholics are starting to recognize the problem in the Vatican right now.

Probably recognize it a lot faster if it was in the school curriculum under their purview.

Yep. That Vatican curricular pot sure is black Mr. Kettle. Imagine the audacity of CONCEALING something like that.


154 posted on 07/12/2017 8:59:23 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: Luircin

>>In the running for stupidest thing I’ve ever read.

Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?”

http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/Luthereng.pdf

 

"Creation was done in 6 24 hour days! [Because we say so]"

--The Regurgitating LCMS.

{ golf clap }




155 posted on 07/12/2017 9:03:59 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

So your guiding light as far as truth is a Trappist monk and a scientist? How have they fared as guardians of truth?


156 posted on 07/12/2017 9:06:55 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Luircin
“WE WUZ STARTED BY JEEEEEEEEZUSSSS!”

What an absolutely disgusting statement. I guess you have no concept of the Ten Commandments.

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”

157 posted on 07/12/2017 9:08:56 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I think what they said is true.

YMMV.

{ golf clap }


158 posted on 07/12/2017 9:09:18 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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To: HLPhat

Are you Christian, HLPhat?


159 posted on 07/12/2017 9:10:57 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

>>How have they fared as guardians of truth?

Does GPS work?

[Real-World Relativity: The GPS Navigation System]
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html


160 posted on 07/12/2017 9:11:12 PM PDT by HLPhat (It takes a Republic TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS - not a populist Tyranny of the Majority)
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