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To: ebb tide

I am not ready to condemn aborted children to hell. Since the 4th century, the Roman Church has celebrated the Feast of the Holy Innocents, whereby Herod murdered all Children under 2. The Church, two make this a major feast during the Christmas season must have seen this children in some sense as martyrs, thus by extension connected them to the 3rd form of baptism the baptism in blood.

I know at my parish, we typically pray for the victims of abortion at Sunday Mass. Maybe your SSPX type parish does not. The Feast of the Holy Innocents is still on my Liturgical calendar, I assume it is also on yours.

It is possible that the Church sees the victims of abortion in the same fashion as the Holy Innocents described in Saint Matthew’s Gospel Chapter 2:16-17 (all boys 2 years and younger).

And again, the Church does not say what happens to aborted children, only that Mother Church trusts them to the Mercy of God.


99 posted on 07/05/2017 7:32:27 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564
As much as we may like to think the Holy Innocents are comparable to the aborted children, they are not comparable.

The Holy Innocents were martyrs because they were killed in place of the Christ Child. Aborted children are not killed for the Faith or for Christ. They're just killed. In addition, the Holy Innocents never had baptism as an option because at that time, the Church had not been born yet and there was no sacrament of baptism under the New Law.

I think the real horror of abortion is ignored when we do not recognize the fact that there is a REAL possibility that these children do go to Hell. If they go to Heaven anyway, then why should we care that these babies are aborted? They get to go to Heaven! The only thing that dies is their bodies. That is not the real crime here.

104 posted on 07/05/2017 10:04:33 AM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: CTrent1564
You're comparing apples to oranges. The Holy Innocents were murdered before the institution of the Sacrament of Baptism.

And I resent your derogation of the TLM by referring to it as “SSPX type”. It just verifies my suspicions that despite your screen name, you're a modernist.

107 posted on 07/05/2017 4:42:53 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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