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To: Gamecock

And who made Luther smarter and more accurate than the persons Christ conferred authority on some 1,400 years prior?

Is Joseph Smith just as accurate? How about Henry8th? How about all the people who broke away from Luther and Henry in disagreement to start their own churchs?

Basic reality check: an opinion and it’s opposite cannot both he true.


5 posted on 06/30/2017 4:54:25 PM PDT by amihow (.size)
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To: amihow

Care to address the actual article or are you going to follow the RC M.O. of regurgitating talking points?


6 posted on 06/30/2017 4:57:40 PM PDT by Gamecock ("We always choose according to our greatest inclination at the moment." R.C. Sproul)
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To: amihow

Working out really well for you with your mess of a pope that you believe Christ conferred authority on, isn’t it


8 posted on 06/30/2017 5:00:41 PM PDT by Mom MD
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To: amihow

Basic reality check. The RCC of that era was astoundingly corrupt and not anything like something Jesus created.
Luther was right.
That is not to say that the RCC today carries the guilt of what they were doing back in that era. That would be completely unfair.

But the people you say Christ conferred authority on were no more legitimate than Luther. Honest people can debate about whether Christ conferred authority on anyone. But he absolutely did not set up a brutal feudal monarchy to be handed down through the years.

In math there is a basic principle. Look at the solution and see if it makes sense. You don’t need to know that 24 divided by 3 is 8, to know that 80 is wrong. The answer is absurd on its very face.
Look at the words, life and teachings of Jesus, then look at the papacy and the Roman Vatican HQ. That is the wrong answer on its very face and the near opposite of anything remotely associated with Jesus.

For example, he wasn’t wealthy. He never commanded military mercenary formations in the field. There is no basis to believe a building in his name should have jail cells.

Luther was a very bad dude in some ways, but he was right in leading a reformation. Islam really needs one.


19 posted on 06/30/2017 5:16:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: amihow
Luther was not made smarter than the Twelve, if that is what you are saying.

His poor and anti Semitic views of the Jews are glaring.

There is no evidence that Peter was in Rome after Paul's death, and if you are saying the Catholic Church was founded upon Peter, please provide evidence that Peter had any ministry outside of Jerusalem, or that he would ever have “preached where another man had preached, i.e. Paul, because Paul was “anointed to preach to the Gentiles” and NOT Peter, of whom Paul had to reprimand for mistakes he was making with Hebrews, in Rome.

Christ symbolically gave keys of the kingdom to Peter for the fact that the Father gave supernatural revelation to Peter about the nature of who Christ was.

The revelatory gift displayed in Peter is the same gift given to all believers at Pentecost, and it is Peter himself who cites the Book of Joel "and in those days I will pour out my Spirt on my maidservants and my manservants... who will have dreams and visions... (from the Holy Spirit) etc.

Peter says that Pentecost is the fulfillment of the Book of Joel, which is the same revelatory power that revealed to him who Jesus was, when Christ commended him.

The keys of the kingdom were given to all who would ask Christ for the free gift of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and Peter's understanding of what Pentecost was at the time it occurs validates this.

And Christ did confer the authority of “binding and loosing” on Peter, which is similar to the spiritual authority of Moses in judging grievances of the Hebrews, based upon Peter's supernatural revelation of His personhood a few verses before.

However, right after this, Jesus rebukes Satan in addressing Peter's errant sentimentality of not wanting Christ to go to the Cross.

This is more problematic for Catholics, because it shows that Peter was not infallible in his person, or his personal words, as Catholics erroneously presume Peter was the first Pope.

What Christ anointed Peter was with the old testament gift of binding and loosing which has to do with understanding the Law and judging according to it; Peter's decree upon Sapphira and Ananias was done in this authority, which had a great effect on the Jewish converts to Christ, those Jews who constituted the early Church in Jerusalem.

I understand how some would question Luther, but Luther was not one of the Twelve who, legally were first hand witnesses to Christ in the flesh and His earthy ministry, who wrote the New Testament. Peter is NOT happy with the idolatry of him as the First (infallible) Pope, with all the willy nilly OT Levite priesthood prescriptions thrown in to the RCC.

Luther never elevated himself to any great position; he needed to excise all the counterfeit damning theology of the RCC church, all for the benefit of mankind. But he was not infallible.

22 posted on 06/30/2017 5:19:23 PM PDT by Sontagged (Lord Jesus: please expose, unveil and then frogmarch Your enemies behind You as You've promised...)
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To: amihow

“And who made Luther smarter and more accurate than the persons Christ conferred authority on some 1,400 years prior?”

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Who said anything about Luther being SMARTER? Though I will have to say that the man had to be pretty darn smart, considering that he had a doctorate in a time when that kind of thing was a lot more difficult to achieve than today, AND could read the Bible in five different languages, three of which were the original languages of Scripture.

But ‘smarts’ don’t matter. Truth does.

It’s just that Luther discovered the truth that Jesus and the Apostles originally taught. And in doing so, exposed the lies that Rome was telling the world.

And then Rome tried to kill him because of that.

You’d think that if the frauds in Rome were as awesome as you thought, they’d have a better answer than to react like an SJW who was just told that Hillary is a criminal.

You wanna prove that Dr. Luther is wrong, then argue from Scripture, not some talking point derived from the fallacies of argument by age and argument by authority.


23 posted on 06/30/2017 5:23:31 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: amihow
And who made Luther smarter and more accurate

God always uses his Word to speak to hearts that are open to Him.

Nothing to do with being smarter - though he was smart.

As for more accurate, a large portion of Catholic teaching that came from paganism isn't in the Scriptures.

24 posted on 06/30/2017 5:30:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: amihow
And who made Luther smarter and more accurate than the persons Christ conferred authority on some 1,400 years prior?

By reading and believing those 4 books and more, Luther found that Jesus Christ didn't confer authority on anyone 1400 years prior, or ever...

Is Joseph Smith just as accurate? How about Henry8th? How about all the people who broke away from Luther and Henry in disagreement to start their own churchs?

Luther did not start the non, anti-Catholic religion...Luther was a late-comer...

101 posted on 07/01/2017 8:34:16 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: amihow
You believe, because of your RC indoctrination, Christ bestowed individual, special favor on Peter. Peter's name denotes that he is a stone. He was actually already being called Peter. The authority that Christ gave Peter, as a living stone, He gave to all saints, who are also living stones, which build up His Church. Jesus Christ is God. God is The Rock of our salvation. There is only one Rock, God, but many living stones.

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Jesus reveals to Peter the authority to bind and and lose:

Mathew 16:19

And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

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After He told Peter, He reveals that this authority is to all in the Church. He even told them in the same lecture previously that the greatest in the Church shall be as one with the faith of a little child. In verse 18:19 He says "Again I say unto you...", showing that this concept He has spoken about before:

Mathew 18:18

Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

18:19

Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

18:20

For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

107 posted on 07/01/2017 2:35:17 PM PDT by Bellflower (Who dares believe Jesus?)
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To: amihow; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; imardmd1; Luircin; ...
And who made Luther smarter and more accurate than the persons Christ conferred authority on some 1,400 years prior?

Then came the officers to the chief priests and Pharisees; and they said unto them, Why have ye not brought him? The officers answered, Never man spake like this man. Then answered them the Pharisees, Are ye also deceived? Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him? But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed. (John 7:45-49)

What is the basis for your assurance of truth? For it seems that the RC argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth (including writings and men being of God) and to fulfill promises of Divine presence, providence of Truth, and preservation of faith, and authority.

And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that such is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus any who knowingly dissent from the latter must be in rebellion to God.

Agree or disagree?

123 posted on 07/01/2017 7:39:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Tust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him.)
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To: amihow; Gamecock; daniel1212
And who made Luther smarter and more accurate than the persons Christ conferred authority on some 1,400 years prior?

Well, according to the article, Luther decided to read the Bible. So I guess we could say God.


147 posted on 07/02/2017 5:29:08 AM PDT by HarleyD (Ecc 10:2 A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left.)
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To: amihow

By their fruits.....


274 posted on 07/03/2017 9:27:09 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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