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To: af_vet_1981

This hardly constitutes an answer to the questions. Once again, just how is this a refutation of the charge that Rome shed more blood than what you attribute to Luther?

And would you agree that Catholic salvation is by works, in that one is justified by the good works that he performs by the grace of God, being accounted to have truly merited eternal life by these very works he did in God (meriting salvation by grace)? And that being formally justified and made holy by his own personal justice and holiness (causa formalis) means that one must actually become good enough in character to be with God via the torments of RC Purgatory, unless he has attained to the state by the time (and maintains to the time) he dies?


278 posted on 07/04/2017 4:33:28 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + folllow Him)
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To: daniel1212
Luther is fundamental to the doctrines of Protestantism. If his antisemitic hatred of the Jewish people is not defended, his salvation becomes "everlasting punishment" which is very hard for the defense to overcome. Thus the defense argues to make the very words of the Messiah of none effect.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty five, Protestant verses thirty one to forty six,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

283 posted on 07/04/2017 6:19:21 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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