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1 posted on 06/18/2017 5:12:06 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses

I was raised in the Lutheran church. I was studying the Bible at 5, debating theologians at 16, and attending pastoral conferences by special invitation at 19.

My father’s idea of evening pastime was reading the Bible to us, sometimes followed by the Book of Concord or Luther’s Works.

Most (not all) of what is written here has been familiar to me since I was a boy.


2 posted on 06/18/2017 5:30:48 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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To: narses

Excellent, informative post. Luther was a cloistered Augustinian monk, can one possibly be more Catholic than that?

IMO, Lutheranism more than any other denomination, is closest to Catholicism, but it sadly has devolved (as many denominations have) into what we witness in our current age.


3 posted on 06/18/2017 5:43:45 PM PDT by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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To: ealgeone; metmom
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God says... "Mary's Son is My only Son." Thus Mary is the Mother of God. (Ibid.).

God did not derive his divinity from Mary; but it does not follow that it is therefore wrong to say that God was born of Mary, that God is Mary's Son, and that Mary is God's mother...She is the true mother of God and bearer of God...Mary suckled God, rocked God to sleep, prepared broth and soup for God, etc. For God and man are one person, one Christ, one Son, one Jesus. not two Christs. . .just as your son is not two sons...even though he has two natures, body and soul, the body from you, the soul from God alone. (On the Councils and the Church, 1539).

4 posted on 06/18/2017 5:50:34 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: narses

Romanist FAKENEWS! Not surprising in this Quincentennial year.


5 posted on 06/18/2017 6:11:47 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: narses

Hung around with Lutherans for four years. Never heard any of them mention Mary as being venerable.


6 posted on 06/18/2017 6:14:22 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: narses

“I’m so young and you’re so old
This, my darling, I’ve been told
I don’t care just what they say
‘Cause forever I will pray
You and I will be as free
As the birds up in the trees
Oh, please stay by me, Diana”

Your “fathers” simply changed her name to Mary.


12 posted on 06/18/2017 6:42:41 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: narses

**God did not derive his divinity from Mary; but it does not follow that it is therefore wrong to say that God was born of Mary, that God is Mary’s Son, and that Mary is God’s mother...She is the true mother of God and bearer of God...Mary suckled God, rocked God to sleep, prepared broth and soup for God, etc. For God and man are one person, one Christ, one Son, one Jesus. not two Christs. . .just as your son is not two sons...even though he has two natures, body and soul, the body from you, the soul from God alone. (On the Councils and the Church, 1539).**

The writer starts out that paragraph with, “God did not derive his divinity from Mary..”, and then basically says that God DID.

What a mess!

Jesus Christ said that God is a Spirit. John the baptist said that the Spirit was given to Jesus Christ without measure. Paul said that God was IN Christ reconciling the world unto himself.

Jesus Christ, nor his apostles, ever used the phrase “God the Son”, but always “the Son of God”. They knew exactly what they were defining.

You claim your church compiled the scriptures. Look and see. The words testify of the truth.

Are you “narses of New Hampshire”, or “New Hampshire the narses”?


17 posted on 06/18/2017 7:15:02 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: narses

I see Luther is back on the good guy list. Tomorrow he’ll be thrown off the bus again.


54 posted on 06/19/2017 5:09:08 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: narses
Our Catholic friends says Luther was wrong on justification and right on Mary. Protestants would simply say that Luther was right on justification and wrong on Mary.

Understanding justification is far more important.

1Ki_8:46 "If they sin against you—for there is no one who does not sin...

Solomon understood and he was pretty smart.

74 posted on 06/19/2017 1:23:25 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: narses
Martin Luther's Devotion to Mary
Perpetual virginity
Is the Perpetual Virginity of Mary a Biblical View?
Aeiparthenos (An Anglo-Catholic Priest on Mary's Perpetual Virginity)
The Early Church Fathers on Mary’s Perpetual Virginity - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
The Heõs Hou polemic is over: Radio Debate Matatics VS White & Svendsen on Perpetual Virginity Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary
Luther, Calvin, and Other Early Protestants on the Perpetual Virginity of Mary

95 posted on 07/30/2017 7:15:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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