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To: ealgeone

Are You forgetting the Catholic Sacraments — purveyors of grace? Especially the Sacrament of Penance/Reconciliation?


40 posted on 05/31/2017 3:49:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Nothing we do can make us righteous in God’s eyes.

We are clothed in CHRIST. We have HIS righteousness credited to our account.

We don’t have to do anything.

No sacraments can give grace. Grace comes directly from God through faith.

If we have to do something to avail ourselves of grace, then it’s no longer grace, it’s wages due for work performed.


41 posted on 05/31/2017 3:53:56 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation

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44 posted on 05/31/2017 4:07:16 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Salvation
Are You forgetting the Catholic Sacraments — purveyors of grace? Especially the Sacrament of Penance/Reconciliation?

Where is that found in the Bible?

You can even give us references out of the Catholic Bible.

I don't recall ever seeing the word *sacrament* in the Bible.

46 posted on 05/31/2017 4:13:26 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
Are You forgetting the Catholic Sacraments — purveyors of grace? Especially the Sacrament of Penance/Reconciliation?

What you need to forget is the idea that the Catholic Sacraments give grace, for while God can do such things as use others to convey the fullness of the Spirit, as that certain devout disciple Ananias did for Paul, (Acts 9) in Catholicism what God commanded to be done, or examples, is corrupted.

1. Baptism, which required wholehearted repentant faith, (Acts 2:38; 8:36,37) and meant immersion is reduced to sprinkling, and done to infants, who as morally incognizant innocent souls need not and cannot fulfiled the stated requirements for baptism. Thus there is no manifest difference overall in baptized Catholic kids which corresponds to the effects of regeneration in Scripture, with superior Godliness to evangelical kids, other things being basically equal.

And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Acts 8:36-37)

2. Confirmation. This sacrament reduces what was/is sometimes a means of conveying the filling of the Spirit of Christ, resulting in manifestation of His power, to being a mere ritual as conducted by dead clergy, typically in response to gives the right answers to questions, resulting in no manifest Scriptural change.

And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. (Acts 9:17)

3. The Eucharist. The Lord's supper is turned from a remembrance/showing of the death of Christ by unselfish sharing of food with those of the body of Chris who are bought with His sinless shed blood, into something more like paganistic endocannibalism, in which spiritual benefits are obtained by eating parts of the body of a beloved deceased person. than what is seen in Scripture . Moreover, Catholicism restricts this to being conducted by Rome's unScriptural priests.

When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken....For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come...Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. (1 Corinthians 11::20-21,26,33)

4. Penance for the remission of sins changes an effect of repentant saving faith into saying prayers as a requirement for forgiveness. True faith is that which will bring forth fruits correspondent to repentance, and the believer must have a faith which will effect such, and God can even require a soul to do certain things of repentance which require saving faith in order to thus be forgiven.

However, it is faith that purifies the heart and appropriates justification, while reciting prayers is not a fruit of repentance, especiallly prayers to created beings in Heaven, which the Holy Spirit nowhere examples (except by pagans) or sanctions despite providing approx. 200 prayers in the written word He inspired.

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:43)

And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. (Acts 19:18-19)

But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. (Acts 26:20)

5. "Anointing of the Sick" turns what in Scripture is a promise of healing via the prayer of faith via holy presbyters (not Catholic priests), but into what is typically a precursor of death! ,

And Catholicism also abused the text on this to support required confession to her unscriptural priests in order to normally obtain forgiveness, but in which text there was no command to confess sins to leadership, versus to each other in general, but there is promised forgiveness, evidenced in the removal of God's hands of chastisement, Mk. 2:1-11) likely for sins of ignorance in response to the intercession of others. Yet which prayer for healing is not restricted to leadership, but includes all who are of fervent prayer and holy faith.

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:14-16)

6. Holy Orders. Catholicism changes this ordinance from one in which presbuteros (senior/elder) were ordained as pastors, and who are the same persons called episkopos (superintendent/overseer) in one pastoral office, (Titus 1:5,7; Acts 20:17,28) and who were normally married, (1 Tim. 3:1-7) into an sacrament in which presbuteros are a separate distinctive class of sacerdotal priests called by the same name as OT priests (“hiereus), but which the OT never calls NT pastors , as instead all constitute the only priesthood (hieráteuma) in the NT church, (1Pt. 2:5,9; Re 1:6; 5:10; 20:6). who are all called to sacrifice. (Rm. 12:1; 15:16; Phil. 2:17; 4:18; Heb. 13:15,16; cf. 9:9) .

And which designation of clergy as a distinctive class of sacerdotal "hiereus" is she attempts to justify by imposed functional equivalence, supposing NT presbuteros engaged in a unique sacrificial ministry as their primary function, that of offering the Lord's super as a sacrifice for sins, which it never is in Scripture. And t neither presbuteros or episkopos are described as having any unique sacrificial function, not charged in the record of the NT church (Acts onward, which helps show how the NT church understood the gospels) with conducting the Lords supper, or shown doing so.

Instead the primary work of NT pastors is that of prayer and preaching. (Act 6:3,4; 2 Tim.4:2) by which they “feed the flock,” as charged, (Acts 20:28; 1Pt. 5:2) for the word is called spiritual "milk," (1Co. 3:22; 1Pt. 1:22) and "meat," (Heb. 5:12-14) what is said to "nourish" the souls of believers, and believing it is how the lost obtain life in themselves. (1 Timothy 4:6; ;Acts 15:7-9; cf. Psalms 19:7)

In addition, Catholicism separates presbuteros and episkopos into two distinct offices, and requires celibacy to be the norm for both.

7. Marriage. Catholicism, especially the Roman version, takes this union, which was never restricted to those performed by the religious authorities of God, and for which we have no examples of annulment (even under conditions Rome considers possible grounds for such) and which union most of the apostles were in, (1Co. 9:5) but one or two possible grounds for divorce;

And in which conjugal relations was not restricted to purposes of procreation, and changes it into such a conditionally valid sacrament, that it allows annulment under various conditions of subjective judgment, which would mean multitudes more RC marriages are not valid (though not considered as such until Rome judges them to be so), while not allowing for any conditions for divorce, and effectively rendering it a second class condition which her clergy are not to be in.

" And it came to pass, that in the morning, behold, it was Leah: and he said to Laban, What is this thou hast done unto me? did not I serve with thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me? And Laban said, It must not be so done in our country, to give the younger before the firstborn. (Genesis 29:25-26)"

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery. (Matthew 19:9)

Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. (Hebrews 13:4)

Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love. (Proverbs 5:19)

Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas? (1 Corinthians 9:5)

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;.. One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) (1 Timothy 3:2,4-5)

Thus are Catholic sacraments exposed as aberrational substitutes for what Scripture teaches, but which are justified by RCs under the the novel and unScriptural premise of ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility as per Rome (and basically in primary cults).

221 posted on 06/01/2017 8:35:45 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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