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To: Elsie

Isn’t it interesting that Catholic writers used various styles of writing.

I continue to accept 2000 years of Sacred tradition passed down to us by Christ, the Apostles and their successors.

As compared to the interpretations that came from heresies of man. Some pick and choose what they want to understand instead of the way it has been passed down for 2000 years.

I guess we will always have protestors and false prophets.

For your information, Jesus repeated several times and emphasized (Amen, Amen I say) that this was His Body and Blood in the Sacrament of the Eucharist and given to the Apostles and Catholics over the last 2000 years. Whereas His words not to call anyone father were not a commandment like do not commit adultery.

Seek the TRUTH, not what the world says.


321 posted on 06/02/2017 4:53:58 AM PDT by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM

We are saved and sealed by GOD’s Grace, not by our merits. We are also instructed by the Word of God to know we are born from above at the moment we are born from above. Try it, you’ll like it!


324 posted on 06/02/2017 7:10:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ADSUM
For your information, Jesus repeated several times and emphasized (Amen, Amen I say) that this was His Body and Blood in the Sacrament of the Eucharist

For your information, there is no sacrament of the Eucharist in the Holy Scriptures...

Jesus never turned wine into blood nor did he turn bread into his flesh or anyone else's...You will not find a single incident in the scriptures where this happened...

All that happened is Jesus claimed, 'this bread is my flesh'...He didn't say I will turn the bread into flesh...Same with the wine...

Had Jesus done what you claim, he would have instructed the apostles to turn these things into flesh and blood...And he would have instructed them on how to do it...

Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

However, the word used for meat does not mean meat...It means food...And that is significant because the bible also says he is a loaf of bread (rye?)...

Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

So what is it??? Jesus turns the bread into meat (his left arm?) or Jesus turns his flesh into bread???

And the bible of course explains that Jesus was talking spiritual food...

339 posted on 06/02/2017 2:19:24 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ADSUM
I continue to accept 2000 years of Sacred tradition passed down to us by Christ, the Apostles and their successors.

Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture?

How do you know?

How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?

How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?

Show us where Paul says that tradition trumps Scripture.

What “oral tradition” do you keep that is not found in scripture but that you can prove the apostles taught?

What is your source for verifying all of the above?

Please provide the sources for verification purposes.

344 posted on 06/02/2017 2:59:18 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM
I continue to accept 2000 years of Sacred tradition passed down to us by Christ, the Apostles and their successors.

You'd do better to follow Jesus and 2,000 years of WRITTEN Scripture, that never changes and can be verified by going to the oldest manuscripts in the Hebrew for the OT or Greek in the NT.

345 posted on 06/02/2017 3:00:49 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ADSUM
For your information, Jesus repeated several times and emphasized...

He did indeed!

 
 
So by repetition alone we have Jesus talking to blind snakes that have large appetites!
 
 
Matthew 23
 
  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
 

350 posted on 06/03/2017 3:41:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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