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To: ealgeone
And where does the ekklesia base its teaching? Scripture.

Really?

Show me where the Scripture tells you being "born again" is "literal," but eating His Flesh, and drinking His Blood, which is mentioned more times, is "spiritual?"

Show where Scripture tells you "Do 'THIS'" is not literal and the main point, rather than "in remembrance of Me?"

52 posted on 05/27/2017 1:46:58 PM PDT by papertyger (The semantics define how we think.)
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To: papertyger

Do this in remembrance would be the phrase you’re looking for. That’s why context is so key to a proper understanding of the Scriptures.


61 posted on 05/27/2017 2:03:19 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: papertyger
...eating His Flesh, and drinking His Blood, which is mentioned more times, is "spiritual?"

I've always wondered why Thomas did NOT lick his fingers after placing it in Jesus' wounds??

SURELY blood from the SOURCE would have been MUCH more efficacious than mere grape squeezin's.

170 posted on 05/27/2017 8:05:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: papertyger; ealgeone

1.If Christ had meant this to be literal he would have cut pieces of flesh off of himself and poured some of his blood into a cup and said eat and drink these(or transmuted bread and wine into his flesh and blood BEFORE they partook!) The Bible would have recorded flesh and blood appearing in the disciples mouths as soon as they took the bread and cup or literally taking flesh and blood into their mouths). In short, the ceremonial transactions were symbolic but yet spiritually potent. When, Christ changed water into wine, the folks were aware that it was literally wine that they were drinking. At the Passover, disciples would have literally been aware that the bread and wine they were drinking had changed form and would have recorded scripturally of such a change. The transactions were symbolic yet spiritual in nature, not materially or atomically transmutations of matter!

It was not by “bread” alone that men were to live, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the Father. Since God is the Word(John chapter 1) and Yeshua was the Word made flesh, when Yeshua calls himself the “Bread of Life”, we are living by the Word of God, that Word, which became flesh and dwelt amongst us!

2. A relevant passage regarding being “born again” as it relates to your question. John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]” “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”

5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]

It is by the Spirit we are born again spiritually and it is by the Spirit that when we partake of the bread and wine, we are doing this in remembrance of him spiritually. Indeed, there is no mention of the term “communion” in the scriptural story of the Passover. Jesus says we do this in “remembrance of me(Him)”. He does not say we do this in “communion with him or with each other”. Interesting....perhaps we all are in error in even calling it “communion” at all!?


203 posted on 05/28/2017 4:22:04 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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