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To: af_vet_1981

“Joseph Smith was wrong in his attempt to reform, recreate or reconstruct Christianity”

Why? If the church disappeared for 1400 years, if 42 generations of Christians had a false church and no true religion, why not 1800 years?

Of course, I do not believe in 1400 years of no true church, but the argument above is internally consistent. Jesus Christ promised two things: first, that He would be with His disciples to the end of the age and two, that He would found a church and that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it.

Now, 1400 years with no church, with 42 generations lost, appears to falsify Christ’s promises. And if you think it doesn’t, what will you accept 1400 but not 1800?


121 posted on 05/13/2017 8:45:44 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: Jim Noble
Why? If the church disappeared for 1400 years, if 42 generations of Christians had a false church and no true religion, why not 1800 years?

Of course, I do not believe in 1400 years of no true church, but the argument above is internally consistent. Jesus Christ promised two things: first, that He would be with His disciples to the end of the age and two, that He would found a church and that the Gates of Hell would not prevail against it.

Now, 1400 years with no church, with 42 generations lost, appears to falsify Christ’s promises. And if you think it doesn’t, what will you accept 1400 but not 1800?


I see your point; it is the Achilles' Heel of the Protestant Reformation. It its with all of the Protestant denominations being discarded by subsequent generations of Evangelicals and other cult movements like Mormonism. Sixteenth Century Protestants did not have the historicity to defend themselves against trendier movements trying to reform, reconstruct, or recreate their own visions of genuine Christianity. History marches on, so to speak.
125 posted on 05/13/2017 8:51:45 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: Jim Noble

Pwerhaps you are confusing the institutional ‘church’ with the body of believers in Jesus as Savior? Jesus established His ‘CHURCH’ upon the meaning of what Peter, by urging of GOD’s Holy Spirit, proclaimed. That church has an unbroken lineage back to the day Jesus revealed the Gospel of Grace inherent in Peter’s Holy Spirit originated proclamation. Don’t let the institutionalized hook you on their use of ‘church’. There is ONLY One True Church, and that CHURCH will be Raptured out of this world someday soon. When it happens, The Vatican will probably have to see the news on CNN to know it has occurred.


184 posted on 05/14/2017 10:41:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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