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To: imardmd1
Nowhere in the NT do we find an example of resurrecting a religious system that was put to death when Jesus completely satisfied it. The planting of New Testament local Christian assemblies did NOT include forming a clergy.

And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take. Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.


And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.


Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek. And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem. And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily.


Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.


Acts, chapter one, Protestant verses fifteen to twenty six
Acts, Catholic chapter fourteen, Protestant verse twenty three,
Acts, Catholic chapter sixteen, Protestant verses one to five,
Hebrews, Catholic chapter thirteen, Protestant verse seventeen,

as authorized, but not authored, by King James

769 posted on 04/22/2017 5:19:00 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981

Your last paragraph is about clergy but about submitting to the rulers in each town/region, etc. These are not clergy, they are rulers.


770 posted on 04/22/2017 5:27:53 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: af_vet_1981

Your last paragraph is NOT about clergy


771 posted on 04/22/2017 5:28:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: af_vet_1981; MHGinTN; ealgeone; boatbums; Mark17
Regarding these passages:

There is not one clue in any of these citations from which you can build a doctrine of establishing a clergy of priests, nor of superseding the authority over a local church other than spiritual elders answering directly to The Head Jesus on the one hand, and accountability to the congregation on the other. So take your licks and quit on this approach.

Realize that catholicity sprang out of Irenaus and others like his fellow priest-makers to start grabbing power not authorized in the Bible.

And, of course, that is also why this priestly class doesn't want any back-channel communication of the Holy Spirit with the "lay" constituent through reading and applying such things as Jesus has commanded in it, without priestly censorship.

780 posted on 04/22/2017 8:39:10 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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