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To: af_vet_1981

There is none righteous, no not one. All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. But of course you Catholics have been taught that you can get that by eating a transubstantiated wheat wafer ... how blind they can be when their catholic pride is assaulted! Working your way to eternal life, work work work ... along that broad road, striving striving striving, always proud of your efforts. Sadly, your pay will not be what you have been indoctrinated to expect. ... If only you could get it the right way around, that Salvation comes by believing on Him Whom God sent for your salvation, THEN He is glorified as He leads you in good works. You work to glorify yourself. He works in those who have submitted to Him, and HE gets the glory.


173 posted on 04/13/2017 7:08:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face; That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!


Matthew, Catholic chapter six, Protestant verses one to twenty three,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

174 posted on 04/13/2017 7:39:49 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: MHGinTN; metmom; Elsie
If only you could get it the right way around, that Salvation comes by believing on Him Whom God sent for your salvation, THEN He is glorified as He leads you in good works. You work to glorify yourself. He works in those who have submitted to Him, and HE gets the glory.

Hey bro, you and I know what it means to "believe" but unfortunately, you have to completely define the concept.
Others engage in cult speak, and the word conjures up a different meaning in their minds. I have had Mormons, JWs, Iglesia ni Cristo, Quiboloy tell me they "believe" but you know they don't, because they are practicing cult speak.
If you think some of the people here, are hard to deal with, wait till you take on the Iglesia ni Cristo. That is a real, honest to goodness cult. I won't even discuss spiritual matters with them anymore.

184 posted on 04/13/2017 1:37:39 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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