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Evangelical Apologist Hank Hanegraaff Converts to Eastern Orthodoxy
religiousresearcher.org ^ | 4-10-2017 | Rob Bowman

Posted on 04/10/2017 6:40:46 PM PDT by fishtank

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To: kosciusko51

Thinking about that led to the thought that, other than within realm of the theoretical, there's no such thing as circle?

They may look like circles, but if measured minutely enough -- not quite exactly equidistant here, and here too, and just a littlest smidgen right there...

I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine that not even electrons hold a pure (orb) circle for very long, since by nature they're so jiggly.

That's putting too fine of an edge to it, I admit.

It's like trying to drag concept of a circles into in other theoretical realms, then wandering around with them, attempting to try them for size on stuff that has component of velocity --which makes it impossible. It won't hold still long enough to be able to slap a test gauge on "it". It's a rigged game, I tell ya'...

Factor in there being an ever-so-slight trembling shakiness to even the steadiest of human hands, and I give up.

Reminds me of a story allegedly coming from among a Native American Indian tribe, who when doing bead work on moccasins or what-have-you, would purposefully introduce some noticeable if but slight flaw into the pattern, doing so in acknowledgement there be only One --the Creator--- whom possess perfection.

I don't know if it's a true story, but it appeals to my own senses of reality.

461 posted on 04/17/2017 12:33:49 PM PDT by BlueDragon (If I'd seen 'em breezin' I woulda' set)
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To: kosciusko51

Yeah. I had some other thoughts about it, but this is not the place — stay cool. Thanks for responding.


462 posted on 04/17/2017 1:05:15 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: BlueDragon
Except in theory, a perfect circle does not exist in the universe. It is a mathematical construct.

Electrons are even worse. Their orbits are described as probability functions, and only a few of the orbits can be described as spherical.

463 posted on 04/17/2017 1:11:13 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: BlueDragon
Incredible! your thought here seems to math what was on my mind. thinking of angular velocity, and just where does the tangential vector change from pointing to the right, the stop, then poibt to the left?

Stupid, even thugh I've taken partial differential equations and matrix algebra and tensor analysis. Never quite got the idea if finite element analysis, though.

464 posted on 04/17/2017 1:21:14 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: BlueDragon

match, not math


465 posted on 04/17/2017 1:26:53 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: kosciusko51

Yes, that's what I thought.

But for better or worse (smarter, or plain ignorant dumber) I wasn't thinking of electrons obits so much as what shapes electrons themselves may have, while imagining (possibly wrongly) them to be somewhat spherical in the shape of area any one particular electron would occupy.

466 posted on 04/17/2017 3:17:18 PM PDT by BlueDragon (If I'd seen 'em breezin' I woulda' set)
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To: imardmd1

That's far out (of my league). Seriesly.

To me, that stuff is like hearing about a world champion sport's team -- on, and from another world.One I'd hardly ever heard of until just now doing a word search (and dimly recalling having come across mention of it before, and had glanced at it then as just now -- only momentarily).

I imagine that stuff could be useful for going after that last possible edge of definition? Mathematically expressed anyway.

This may be vain pondering, but thinking about the shape of things...got me to wondering about 'shape' of an electron.

What if a single electron could be isolated from everything, every other electrical potentiality, or 'charge'? Could it even exist might be the first question to be solved. And hoo-boy, just now as writing this I wondered; if one could coax an isolated electron into collapsing in upon itself -- then what? but that's beside the other pointless point I was otherwise wondering about...

If one electron could be isolated (and not collapse) would it assume a perfectly round spherical shape?

After I figure out how to isolate one single hydrogen atom, and then split off the theoretical "one" electron, I'll let you know. Estimated project completion date...what was that number again, that you posted in comment 432? No need to fetch it, but that's about as good an estimated year date, after taking stock of what tools are on hand, that I presently have a handle on...

467 posted on 04/17/2017 3:55:42 PM PDT by BlueDragon (If I'd seen 'em breezin' I woulda' set)
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To: BlueDragon; imardmd1

BD, try this one on: the electron may not be fully in our spacetime, such as we are ‘sensing’ the ‘shadow imprint’ in our spacetime from an item existing more in a different spacetime.


468 posted on 04/17/2017 5:01:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I applies to us all; I think.


469 posted on 04/17/2017 5:16:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
What do you think of Enoch and Elijah?

I think I asked what Rome teaches about them.

1. Bible says that FLESH and BLOOD will NOT inherit the kingdom of GOD.

2. No where in the book that Rome assembled are the two ever described as DYING.

3. ERGO; if ya ain't dead; ya ain't gonna get no GLORIFIED body.

4. Yeah; that put Rome's Mary in a quandary; doesn't it!

5. Now it's your turn to put Rome's spin on it all.

470 posted on 04/17/2017 5:19:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
It should not have happened the first time.

But it did.

Now then; is you the forgivin' type or is you ain't?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3eTSbC3neA&feature=youtu.be&t=130

471 posted on 04/17/2017 5:34:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: editor-surveyor
According to Rome; it's Mary NEVER sinned.

Therfore; she did NOT need to be saved or get 'born again' to get a GLORIFIED body; since hers was (we've been told) born immaculately.

472 posted on 04/17/2017 5:37:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlueDragon
The article I linked to was about honesty, and integrity.

I think that James had something to say about that:

James 2:8-12

If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,”[a] you are doing right. But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,”[b] also said, “You shall not murder.”[c] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

 

 

James 3:1-2

Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

 

 

James 4:11-12

11 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister[d] or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

 


473 posted on 04/17/2017 5:44:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1

It's in the middle of it!!!


474 posted on 04/17/2017 5:47:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kosciusko51; BlueDragon
There are 10 kinds of people in the world.

Those that understand binary numbers and those that don't.

475 posted on 04/17/2017 5:49:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN

Only if the flux capacitor is slighty more than 50% charged.

Otherwise the tractor beam coherence will vary too much and the teleporter will malfunction.


476 posted on 04/17/2017 5:51:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Open rebuke is better than secret love.


477 posted on 04/17/2017 5:56:08 PM PDT by BlueDragon (If I'd seen 'em breezin' I woulda' set)
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To: MHGinTN; BlueDragon
The passage mentioning the earthly types of things actually in Heaven (the 3rd one): "For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts
according to the law:
Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about
to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern
shewed to thee in the mount" (Heb 8:4,5 AV).

Hints of:

"It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these;
but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figuresantitypes of the true;
but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:" (Heb 9:23-24 AV).

Are you suggesting that the electron on earth is but a shadow--a type--of some other antitype entity in the Heavenly dimensioning system?

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(Hmmm. What then is dark matter, accounted as a very real thing, eh?)

Think Hanegraaff of Creation Research Institute had this all figured out? If so, then what is the oil needed for to "give him the Holy Spirit"?

478 posted on 04/17/2017 6:00:27 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Elsie; BlueDragon

The electron ‘presence may only be the footprint of resonance between two differing spacetime coordinate systems.


479 posted on 04/17/2017 6:04:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: imardmd1
The following two axioms apply to anything in the CVreated Universe:

1 - without time, events do not occur;

2 - without space a thing does not exist in the Universe God has Created.

The moment we are transformed, we will still be in the Created Universe, so our being will have spacetime reality, but of such nature that we will be as invisible as the being who wrote on the wall of Palace Party Central (see Daniel 5).

480 posted on 04/17/2017 6:10:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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