Bergoglio Blasphemes Again: Jesus Christ “Made Himself the Devil”!

Novus Ordo Watch ^ | April 6, 2017 | Novus Ordo Wire

[MHGinTN]

When you conflate the Ekklesia (the body of believers in the One Whom God has sent for our Salvation) with the institutional Catholic Church you are being ... deceptive. And you know it, too!

[Syncro]

LOL

[Mom MD]

Yup The pope is only infallible when you agree with him. If he says something you don’t like, then he’s not infallible. The fact that the RCs have not gotten rid of tbis guy says all I need to know about them

[Syncro]

Typical translated wrong with “church” capitalized which denotes the Catholic denomination rather that the Biblical meaning of the church.

The quote means to take it to the body of believers...Catholicism does NOT encompass all believers.

[Syncro]

Ditto

[Mom MD]

The Church is the Church composed of all those who have washed their robes in the Blood of Christ and are His redeemed children, not one particular denomination, no matter how highly it thinks of itself.

[Iscool]

You guys are being a little rough on Frank...Frank has some things pretty messed up but he still a ways ahead of the rest of the Catholics...Here's part of one of the links referred to in your post:

The entire text of Francis’ reflection on the Last Judgment is available in Italian here, but the Vatican web site does not offer the full text in English translation. Nevertheless, this link here seems to have most of the catechesis in English. We will quote a few salient parts:

Do not be afraid of the final judgment of God, when the good will be separated from the bad, because Jesus will always be at our side, because we can rely on the intercession and the benevolence of the saints and because God “did not send his Son to condemn, but to save” and “he who believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is already condemned,” and in this sense “the judgment has already begun”.

Frank is quoting some scripture here...Some truth that all of you Catholics ignore...So your pope's latched on to a little bit of Truth, but he doesn't really know what to do with it...That verse Frank is quoting and many others say the judgement for the Christian is already over, not, that the judgment is begun...

“I believe in eternal life” was the passage from the Creed chosen by the Pope, focusing on the final judgment. “But – he immediately said – do not be afraid.” “When we think of the return of Christ and his final judgment, which will reveal even to its furthest consequences the good each person has done or failed to do during their earthly life, we perceive that we are faced with a mystery that hangs over us that we can not even imagine. A mystery that almost instinctively arouses in us a sense of awe, and perhaps even trepidation. However, if we think carefully about this fact, it can only swell the heart of a Christian and be a great reason of comfort and confidence.”

Firstly, because the Christian revelation ends, in the Apocalypse, with “the embrace of Jesus, who is the fullness of life, the fullness of love. So we embrace Jesus! If we think of the judgment in this perspective, all fear and doubt vanishes and leaves a deep joy and expectation. It will be the time when we will be judged finally ready to be clothed with the glory of Christ, like a wedding garment, and be conducted to the banquet, an image of full and definitive communion with God”.

Poor Frank...While he stumbled across a scripture that confirms and guarantees that Christians are saved NOW, he goes on to be lost in the sea of scripture that only a Christian can decypher...

Frank and the rest are not going to make it to the banquet after that final judgment...

That wedding banquet for the Bride and Groom takes place a thousand years before Frank's final judgement takes place...

[Iscool]

Since the Church is called in Scripture "the pillar and foundation of the Truth" and Jesus Himself, foreseeing disputes, says to take your disputes to the Church for judgment...

You are misinterpreting the verse...It is God who is the pillar and ground of the truth...The church(es) will not be holy and pure and full of complete knowledge UNTIL they are presented to God

[Mrs. Don-o]

If you were reading what I wrote at #191 you would see that I am not talking about Roman Catholicism as specifically organized in a monarchical form, with an administrative center known as "The Vatican." I've been writing, rather, about the Apostolic beliefs and practices of the ancient Churches East and West which still subsist as Catholicism, Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, and the Assyrian Church of the East.

It's a little different historic perspective, one which you might not be used to.

For instance, you might want to consider the Armenian Church. The Kingdom of Armenia was not part of the Roman Empire, but it declared Christianity to be its official national religion in 300 A.D. (when Christianity was still outlawed in the Empire.) Can anyone honestly imagine that their doctrines were invented by Rome?

If I'm supposed to "listen to the church" (as Jesus says and I quote in the tagline) I first have to FIND the church. It has to be locatable. It has to be identifiable.

That's where "One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic" --- the four "Marks of the Church" come in: as a way to identify where or what or who is the Church.

You do see the relevance of this, right? It's not a matter of denominationalism. It's a matter of identifying the vital continuities which link any particular self-identified Church with that Church which was being spread by the Apostles in the First Century AD.

[Boiler Plate]

LOL what a mess. Well enjoy.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Please look at the verse itself.

God is not "the pillar and foundation of the truth." God is the Truth. The Truth Himself, tout court.

But what does this verse identify as God's "household" which "upholds" God's truth; in other words, what is identified as the "pillar" --- the useful structure that holds the Truth up, as a lectern holds a Book, as a lamp-stand holds a Lamp, which manifests and displays it?

1 Timothy 3:15
If I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

("Pillar and foundation" is an architectural term, meaning the same as "column and plinth".)

God is Truth; the Church, his household, holding Him up like a column and plinth, manifests and displays Him.

[MHGinTN]

Selah! Here is wisdom, as usual with your posts.

[MHGinTN]

Your blindness is astounding! You deny you are referring to institutional ‘church’ then posit that the one org you belong to and the closest affinities to that one are the institutional representatives! And you are totally incapable of seeing your self-contradiction!

[Mrs. Don-o]

If the Church is "composed of all those who have washed their robes in the Blood of Christ and are His redeemed children,"--- and I'll not give you any hassle about that ---then when we are told to "listen to the church," to whom are we supposed to listen? If we are supposed to bring our disputed questions to the "church", can we take them to any church in the phone book?

If these churches disagree on doctrine and moral law, how can I be confident that any one of them can render true judgment on a disputed question?

I don't think you would, but do you you recommend the phone book approach?

[MHGinTN]

You cannot be this dense! Mom MD referred to the body of believers, not some denomination or specific org such as Romanism. Yet you try to twist what she wrote so your devilish agenda is served which conflates all believers throughout HISTORY, with the institutional orgs you wish to empower. You cannot be so dense ... but you can use sophistry to tangle the discourse!

[RegulatorCountry]

I’ve always been taught and accepted that the two witnesses will be Enoch and Elijah. If I’m not mistaken, Catholics are taught this as well. Reason being, they never died and it’s appointed man once to die. They’re the only two in all of scripture to whom this could apply. If this teaching somehow turns out to be incorrect, I’ll be surprised but not discouraged, it makes perfect sense from the vantage point of now. I just hope it doesn’t lead to misidentifying them, should I have the misfortune of being on this earth when it occurs.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"..you are being ... deceptive. And you know it, too!"

> This is not true.

And rash judgment is not conducive to productive discussion. I will not answer personal insult.

[ealgeone]

Why the big deal over context? That's a very good question. I offer this as a beginning answer.

It's important to study Bible passages and stories within their context. Taking verses out of context leads to all kinds of error and misunderstanding. Understanding context begins with four principles: literal meaning (what it says), historical setting (the events of the story, to whom is it addressed, and how it was understood at that time), grammar (the immediate sentence and paragraph within which a word or phrase is found) and synthesis (comparing it with other parts of Scripture for a fuller meaning). Context is crucial to biblical exegesis in that it is one of its most important fundamentals. After we account for the literal, historical, and grammatical nature of a passage, we must then focus on the outline and structure of the book, then the chapter, then the paragraph. All of these things refer to "context." To illustrate, it is like looking at Google Maps and zooming in on one house.

The rest of the article may be found at the link below.

https://www.gotquestions.org/context-Bible.html

[Mrs. Don-o]

Your remark is not discussion: it is insult. It’s an effective dialogue-killer, MGHinTN.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Neither in #58 nor in #74 did I even mention the Roman Catholic Church p[er se, nor was I alluding to it by some wink-wink code. I referred to the church that Christ mentioned in Matthew 18:17, whatever you may construe that church to be.

While not able to deny my overall density, I must ask you to please refrain from calling me mocking names, while reacting serially and tirelessly to things I didn't say.