Bergoglio Blasphemes Again: Jesus Christ “Made Himself the Devil”!

Novus Ordo Watch ^ | April 6, 2017 | Novus Ordo Wire

[Mrs. Don-o]

Pope Francis has not invoked papal infallibility at any point in his pontificate.

If you will review the doctrine of infallibility, you will see that it is used very infrequently --- the last time was in 1950 with Pope Pius XII's Munificentissimus Deus statement.

In 2005 Pope Benedict XVI remarked, "The Pope is not an oracle; he is infallible in very rare situations, as we know".

Pope John XXIII once stated it with a humorous twist: "I am only infallible if I speak infallibly but I shall never do that, so I am not infallible".`

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[Mrs. Don-o]

Why don't you just look it up?

Here's Wikipedia

According to the teaching of the First Vatican Council and Catholic tradition, the conditions required for ex cathedra papal teaching are as follows:

• the Roman Pontiff
• speaks ex cathedra,
• that is, when, (in the discharge of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, and by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority,)
• he defines
• a doctrine
• concerning faith or morals
• to be held by the whole Church.

For a teaching by a pope or ecumenical council to be recognized as infallible, the teaching must:

• Be a decision of the supreme teaching authority of the Church (the Pope alone or with the College of Bishops)
• Concern a doctrine of faith or morals
• Bind the universal Church
• Be proposed as something to hold firmly and immutably

Each of those phrases is constitutive for infallibility. If one condition is missing, what you have is a non-infallible statement.

[Campion]

Only a (1) definitive (not speculative) teaching (2) on faith or morals (3) addressed to the whole church (4) by the Pope speaking as Pope (not, e.g., as a private individual) is protected by infallibility. All four qualifications have to be met.

[metmom]

So basically, anything else he says, or any other Catholic leader says, is up for grabs.

A Catholic can take it or leave it as they see fit and have their own personal interpretation of Catholicism.

1.2 billion versions of Catholicism.

[Mrs. Don-o]

I think it would be of benefit for you to acquire a passing acquaintance with the Catholic Catechism.

It would give you a fine overview if Catholic doctrine and dogma; even if you didn’t accept it, you’d know what it IS; and that would save you from making silly statements which imply that there are only two categories in Catholic theology: infallible Papal statements, and “take it or leave it.”

[ealgeone]

So basically, anything else he says, or any other Catholic leader says, is up for grabs. A Catholic can take it or leave it as they see fit and have their own personal interpretation of Catholicism. 1.2 billion versions of Catholicism.

There's no other way to understand that.

So far no one has been able to give a list of every ex cathedra statement of the pope.

Some say two ex cathedra statements:

There is no set list of ex cathedra teachings, but that’s because there are only two, and both are about Mary: her Immaculate Conception (declared by Pope Pius IX in 1854 and grandfathered in after the First Vatican Council’s declaration of papal infallibility in 1870) and her bodily Assumption into heaven (declared by Pope Pius XII in 1950).

http://www.uscatholic.org/church/2011/05/there-list-infallible-teachings

Others suggest there have been possibly as many as seven.

Catholic theologians agree that both Pope Pius IX's 1854 definition of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary and Pope Pius XII's 1950 definition of the dogma of the Assumption of Mary are instances of papal infallibility, a fact confirmed by the Church's magisterium.[72] However, theologians disagree about what other documents qualify.

Regarding historical papal documents, Catholic theologian and church historian Klaus Schatz made a thorough study, published in 1985, that identified the following list of ex cathedra documents (see Creative Fidelity: Weighing and Interpreting Documents of the Magisterium, by Francis A. Sullivan, chapter 6):

Tome to Flavian, Pope Leo I, 449, on the two natures in Christ, received by the Council of Chalcedon;

Letter of Pope Agatho, 680, on the two wills of Christ, received by the Third Council of Constantinople;

Benedictus Deus, Pope Benedict XII, 1336, on the beatific vision of the just after death rather than only just prior to final judgment;[73]

Cum occasione, Pope Innocent X, 1653, condemning five propositions of Jansen as heretical;

Auctorem fidei, Pope Pius VI, 1794, condemning seven Jansenist propositions of the Synod of Pistoia as heretical; Ineffabilis Deus, Pope Pius IX, 1854, defining the Immaculate Conception;

Munificentissimus Deus, Pope Pius XII, 1950, defining the Assumption of Mary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Denial_by_Catholics

For the man supposedly put in charge of the church the pope has not had a lot to say about what is or is not official church doctrine.

Without further clarification from the pope, each catholic is left to his or her own understanding of Scripture...that is unless the Catechism is considered official dogma.

And even that doesn't give an understanding of each verse in the NT.

The only place I've seen that happen is in Christian churches that use a Biblically based teaching/preaching method.

[ealgeone]

Has the Catechism been declared dogma?

[redleghunter]

Yes this one doctrine unified OTC seems to have some serious schisms. One site daniel1212 and I post at has three Roman Catholic forums because they cannot get along.

[Elsie]

The True Third Secret of Fatima?

 

John 15:15

"No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.

 

Catholic teaching: well; except the stuff that Mom will reveal to you about 19 centuries from now.

[Elsie]

Jesus Christ “Made Himself the Devil”!,

Actually; Rome has recorded that Jesus called their first pope the devil:

Get thee behind me, Satan.

[Elsie]

I just want to know where and who are the two witnesses.

Me and metmom

[Elsie]

It's not about every random thing that a Pope thinks or says.

Heck; it ain't even everything that the apparition that Rome calls MARY says; either!

[Elsie]

That's happened only four times in two thousand years.

Then why does Rome even NEED a pope?

Can't Mary come down and whack the faithful with a ruler when needed?

[mdmathis6]

“I just want to know where and who are the two witnesses.”
“Me and metmom”

And I’m the lovably pathetic winey sidekick who they tell to hide in the hills with all the little kids(and with Lassie) as the Earth quake will strike when the heroes resurrect to heaven!

[jmacusa]

Confused he is. The Dark Side is strong with this one.

[metmom]

Well, isn’t the ex cathedra statements only what’s formally binding on Catholics or not?

If it’s not formally binding, then they do have the choice to accept it or not. Right?

[metmom]

Without further clarification from the pope, each catholic is left to his or her own understanding of Scripture...that is unless the Catechism is considered official dogma.

And his or her own understanding of the Catechism as well.

Unless there has been issued some sort of formally binding compendium *interpreting* the Catechism as well as Scripture.

Perhaps some Catholic could point us to that source.

[metmom]

Yes this one doctrine unified OTC seems to have some serious schisms. One site daniel1212 and I post at has three Roman Catholic forums because they cannot get along.

Pffftttt.....

They can't even get along here on FR.

[Campion]

Something heard (or seen) in an apparition, even if the apparition is formally approved by the Church, is "private revelation," not "public revelation". Private revelation is not binding on anyone in faith, except perhaps to the person(s) who actually experience the apparition.

[Elsie]

What kinda wine?