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To: Mrs. Don-o
Your verbiage sounds so reasonable, yet is so bankrupt.

First, do you believe you receive the Divinity of Jesus into your spirit when you partake of the Eucharist?

Second, can you 'run out of' or 'lose' this Divinity of Jesus so that it must be renewed in your spirit?

IF you answer those two questions honestly, then we will have grounds upon which to proceed. A long, catholic reply which does not directly answer those two questions will show what spirit is within you. Satan has a mastery of sophistry, the same sophistry with which you defend the blasphemies of your religion of catholiciism.

Do you know the meaning of duplicitousness? Do you understand that duplicitousness is deceit? Do you understand the Genesis commandment to not eat the blood, for the life is in the blood? Do you see that when Peter was at meat with Jesus on the night before the Cross that Peter was one of the generations of those to whom the commandment against taking the blood of the creature into their alimentary tracts?

If God, Who knows the end from the beginning, gives a commandment to ALL the generations, do you see how it is duplicitous to give that command knowing He Himself would violate that command at a future date? Your religion insists that the evening Passove meal gathering was the first Eucharist, yet Jesus had not yet gone to the Cross for our redemption. Think about it ...

195 posted on 04/08/2017 9:40:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Iscool; ealgeone; imardmd1; Elsie; metmom; Mark17; Mom MD; SkyDancer; ...
Your unwillingness to answer those simple questions is revealing. Perhaps you secretly know a catholic answer will be outside the Truth of Christianity? ...

John 6 has been so thoroughly mangled in Catholic theology that catholics cannot even see the contradictions in the Catholic carnal minded reading!

John 6:27 Do not work for food that perishes, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For God the Father has placed His seal of approval on Him.” 28 Then they inquired, “What must we do to perform the works of God?” 29Jesus replied, “This is the work of God: to believe in the One He has sent.”…

That passage should be the first clue for an honest soul: the seekers after signs commit the same error that Moses had to deal with at the mountain, namely they wanted to know what they should do, how they could work to obtain eternal life. Jesus answered them by sweeping aside the human pride inherent in performing 'sacraments' to obtain eternal life. JESUS told them to believe and God in His Grace would give them eternal life. To believe, in that passage, is more than merely giving mental ascent, it contains a submission, and JESUS did not leave that out in His discourse with them:

John 6:30 So they asked Him, “What sign then will You perform, so that we may see it and believe You? What will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” 32 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." 34 “Sir, they said, “give us this bread” at all times. 35 Jesus answered, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to Me will never hunger, and whoever believes in Me will never thirst.

With that teaching, Jesus made it clear that He was not speaking of carnal life but of SPIRITUAL LIFE! Given eternal life, those so born from above will never hunger or thirst again. Do you know of a group of Catholics who claim to be eating JESUS's body, blood, SOUL and DIVINITY who eat such once and never hunger or thirst again in their present bodies? ... Neither do I know of such a group. So, Catholics must be expecting to ingest something as they eat JESUS and drink HIS blood? What do they receive more than a wheat wafer (and wine perhaps)? Whatever it is it must be renewed with fealty to the Catholic sacraments. But in such fealty there is inherent pride of self for performing what the self counts as faithful striving. But that means the Catholic is then stroking his or her pride, reassuring self that they are doing enough to be worthy of eternal life.

But what did JESUS go on to say of the process of life following being born from above? Was it strict adherence to an institution's sacramental trail?

John 6:39 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that I shall lose none of all those He has given Me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For it is My Father’s will that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

Perhaps you have noticed that JESUS has not commanded they eat His flesh and drink HIS blood, empahtically. HE has emphasized believing on HIM Whom GOD has sent for our salvation. Believing is an act of the will, not a function of the alimentary tract.

But the seekers after signs, the proud Jews insisting on working for eternal life then began to grumble, first questioning His statement that He came down from Heaven --they heard that part clearly-- as the ONE to give Life to the world. What sort of life could JESUS give these carnally alive proud folks? SPIRITUAL LIFE. And HE explicitly said it came by believing in HIM; believing in HIM as their source of LIFE eternal would make them consumers of The Bread come sown from Heaven, the REAL sustenance for LIFE eternal, not consumed by mouth, eating magically transform wafers, but by pointing the will to trust in Him, renewing their faith not their cells, by performing the remembrance of what He was about to do on that cruel tree then dying and rising from the dead to be their High Priest IN HEAVEN forever more.

But the Jews then insisted on taking ONLY a carnal perspective, so JESUS gave the metaphorical references a verily verily but in their carnal wording and they reject it and HIM! The seekers after signs chose the carnal perspective and turned away. The religion of Catholicism has chosen the same perspective, but have gone even more to the sdark side by embracing that which God had placed a prohibition upon, namely eating a persons flesh and drinking their blood.

To be sure, the reality is hidden in fancy ritual and 'sacred mystery' ( transubstantiation at a catholic priest's command? Come on! ), but it is when revealed nothing short of a blasphemy! The catholic ritual at once makes the god of Catholicism a duplicitous caprice, directed to and fro by a special class of 'priests', just as the pagans practiced.

So wat was the final lesson simplification that JESUS gave to those who did not turn away? ...

John 6:61 Aware that His disciples were grumbling about this teaching, Jesus asked them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what will happen if you see the Son of Man ascend to where He was before? 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. ... 65 Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him.” ... 67 So Jesus asked the Twelve, “Do you want to leave too?” 68 Simon Peter replied, “Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life."

Did you catch it? Simon knew what was the source of SPIRITUAL LIFE! He did not say, 'you have the flesh and blood we must eat! He pointed straight to the TRUTH he had just received in his heart, not his belly.

196 posted on 04/08/2017 8:10:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
First, do you believe you receive the Divinity of Jesus into your spirit when you partake of the Eucharist?

Yes. 2 Peter 1:4 "... He has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature.."

Second, can you 'run out of' or 'lose' this Divinity of Jesus so that it must be renewed in your spirit?

I wouldn't say "run out of." But yes, you can sin, and sin seriously, even after having received this blessed Sacrament of the Lord's Body and Blood. If you turn against God --- and this is by making an evil choice --- you can lose the Divine Presence.

That's why St. Paul gives this very serious warning with regard to sacrilegious reception of the Eucharist:

1 Corinthians 11:29 (KJV)

"For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's Body."


215 posted on 04/09/2017 7:55:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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