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Posted on 03/13/2017 8:58:52 AM PDT by ebb tide
“Well...?”
Well what? Saul, Judas....
>>Does the Holy Spirit guide the college of cardinals in selecting the new pope?<<
Not asking about Saul or Judas.
Asking a direct question you should be able to answer with either yes or no.
No. We have art.
LOL!
You keep thinking that the idols of Mary in roman catholic churches aren't idols.
You keep thinking that kneeling before these idols isn't worship.
Catholics have indeed assigned supernatural powers to Mary.
The writings of a lot of catholic writers you somehow don't seem to think are important to know about indicate otherwise.
You're so far into the lie you don't even recognize it and even if you did I'm not sure you'd admit it.
Examples of Catholics lying:
You must be baptized to be saved.
If you ever were a Catholic, you always are a Catholic.
If you are baptized by Catholicism, you are branded for life. It leaves a mark on you that can not ever be removed.
Jesus was a Catholic.
The Catholic church started 2000 years ago.
The Catholic church started 2012 years ago.
Every living person must be to subject to the pope.
Mary was sinless.
You must be a member of the Catholic church to be saved.
There are many more examples of lies by Catholics.
I’ve also read The Harbinger, and believe that what has been brought out about 9/11’s connection to Isaiah 9 is the work of God.
I hadn’t heard of the other books you mentioned but did quickly look at “My Descent into Death” and will look at the others.
I know of some other testimonies, though.
Here’s the testimony of a Christian man named Ronald Reagan (not the President):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ3IRZMB-rc
Another two books are “A Divine Revelation of Hell” and “A Divine Revelation of Heaven.”
I saw you mentioned to someone else here that you are reading a site by Vassula Ryan. I’d heard of her, and she is considered a false teacher not just by Protestants but also by Catholics.
There’s a point often made by Christians. People who are trained to spot counterfeit money begin by learning the characteristics of real money. You have to know all you can about the truth to spot the counterfeits.
Just because someone or some group makes a spiritual or even supernatural claim doesn’t mean that it’s true or from God. Whatever is from God will uphold His truth. In one of John’s letters, we’re told to “test the spirits,” to see if they’re from God or not. Satan can also appear as an angel of light, and the Bible says he is able to perform deceptive signs and wonders. There is also the realm of the demonic. It’s possible there is some supernatural power there, although it wouldn’t exist if God didn’t permit it.
“The Harbinger” and “A Divine Revelation of Hell” have both been questioned by some Christians, who believe they aren’t faithful to God’s Word, but to this point they’ve seemed to me to be faithful in every major way, though in some details they may reflect the human imperfection of the authors. They are a far cry from books that are clearly heretical.
I saw you also mention here that perhaps Protestants don’t believe in the supernatural. That simply isn’t true. We believe in miracles and the supernatural power of God.
Now, on what you say about the Bible, what do you remember of it? Were there some parts you read more than others?
“You must be baptized to be saved.”
Not a lie. Mark 16:16
“If you ever were a Catholic, you always are a Catholic.”
Not a lie.
“If you are baptized by Catholicism, you are branded for life. It leaves a mark on you that can not ever be removed.”
Not a lie. Ephesians 4:5
“Jesus was a Catholic.”
Jesus was a Jew, but He founded the Catholic Church.
“The Catholic church started 2000 years ago.”
Not a lie. Jesus founded that Catholic Church almost 2,000 year ago.
“The Catholic church started 2012 years ago.”
Who claims that since that would be around A.D. 5? Is math something else you failed?
“Every living person must be to subject to the pope.”
Only in regard to the order of the Church and the salvation Christ dispenses through it. Thus, not a lie.
“Mary was sinless.”
Not a lie. She was.
“You must be a member of the Catholic church to be saved.”
Not a lie, but must be understood according to CCC 847.
“There are many more examples of lies by Catholics.”
You didn’t list one. Not even one.
I knew you would fail. There was no other possibility. Again, at my profile page there is a link to an anti-Catholic being exposed for OBJECTIVELY LYING. There’s no interpretation to it. There’s no opinion to it. He admitted it when caught (after repeatedly denying it). I have never seen a Catholic to anything like that here, EVER.
And there were many translations that were approved by the Catholic church that contained errors. Let's not lose sight of what you asked and I answered.
Don’t forget the never-ending and oft-disputed claim “Luther removed books from the Bible”. That lie always pops up like some kind of trump card. Do you think if the same poster repeats the same lie even after being shown the facts makes him a liar?
Or the "catholic" church gave us the Bible!
Not a lie. She was.
Luke and Paul and the NT say otherwise.
No, I KNOW kneeling is kneeling. It isn’t worship in itself. If kneeling were worship in in itself then asking a woman to marry you would be worshiping a false god.
Your example fails.
8I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.” Revelation 22:8-9 NASB
Syncro chose not to list them nor did he ever say he would list all of the lies catholics have told and continue to tell.
Yet somehow you equate that as failure.
Man, was I ever right about you. Normal rules of debate and conversation cannot be applied in dealing with you.
I think Zuriel nailed you perfectly in his post 282.
>>During playground recess, when I was in elementary school, there was this kid that was always trying to change the rules before, or even during the games.<<
I have never seen a Catholic to anything like that here, EVER.
You repeat the lie that you've never seen a catholic lie.
You've made a number of lies on your on post...but you don't realize it nor would you admit to it.
Fwiw, it might be more accurate to speak for yourself alone, rather than to speak for "we" all in such a sweeping generalization.
I am speaking of actual people I personally know who claim a Protestant belief in God, in Jesus, and pray to Him before meals, throughout the day and before they go to sleep, and that is what they tell me.
You may be very far along with your faith and understanding, and are right about the official position of believers, but it's probably not wise to speak on other's behalf unless you know.
We are where we are with things, each and all, and it's difficult to speak for everyone and retain one's credibility. Just sayin'...
"I saw you mentioned to someone else here that you are reading a site by Vassula Ryan. I’d heard of her, and she is considered a false teacher not just by Protestants but also by Catholics."
I believe you meant "Vassula Ryden" and I have mixed reactions to her and her work.
I actually have read True Life In God and Heaven is Real, But So Is Hell (which I read before TLIG) and I also get the daily emails as well.
As a reader, I read True Life In God as though it is what it says it is and I've personally had that experience with the material.
Giving it the "by their fruits" test in my own life and experience, I've had a confirming experience in that regard and I tend to believe it is accurate and true more than I do my own understanding or preconceived beliefs.
Again, as with many things in life, it's better to do one's own research.
There is a lot of "fake news" out there regarding all things, but especially those involving religion and politics.
Believe what you will. I offer this: What does the Church say?
Thanks for the testimonies you've offered! I have an open mind about how God works in our world, in these times and in our lives, my own included.
My dad, otoh, was more atheistic in his thinking and had a strong hatred for preachers and priests, who only came to him at his work asking for donations, as well as having an intense dislike for the holier than thous in his life and in history.
It's kinda funny how when my parents moved to Florida to retire, a preacher moved in next door.
Naturally, Dad remained true to nature, in and out of their backyard pool, which explained the new tall hedges the neighbor planted soon after he moved in.
Toward the end of dad's life, we would have discussions about whether or not God exists or if there is an afterlife, a heaven or hell.
I didn't have anything I could offer him that would satisfy his rational mind's need for hard proof. I had my own belief, but to prove a supernatural God's existence to him was not in my ability. His life experience was too strong.
After he passed, I read The Harbinger, which might have intrigued him, given how it tied the supernatural God so closely to our here and now and the Scriptures.
Speaking of...I wonder what he would have thought of this:
The Foundations Of The Earth Will Rock
September 11, 1991
Next, I found the stories of people who had Near Death Experiences (NDEs), one of which, My Descent into Death, I included in that short book list.
I think those personal stories/testimonies would also have intrigued him and perhaps opened his mind and heart even more to God. He mellowed out quite a bit in retirement.
For me, the Trinitarian God is beyond my understanding and I don't want to and can't put Him into a finite box.
Between the Protestant or Catholic boxes, I have come to believe the Catholic box contains a deeper understanding of Him, Heaven, the Heavenly Family and Heaven's hierarchy, Purgatory and Hell, than the Protestant box.
However, the Church's organizational hierarchy, much like the US GovCo's and practically every other you can name in and of this world, has been corrupted in these times of apostasy and rebellion.
I definitely believe if these times aren't cut short, none will survive them.
Fortunately for us, these are also the times of His Grace and Mercy, which I believe the work Vassula Ryden and others are doing is a part of.
Of course, as with all things, Ymmv...
You post another lie yet you don't see it nor will you admit it.
By your definition, then for you, and a whole lot of other catholics, you god is anti-protestant...you worship him here at FR everyday.
Your starting to sound very childish and are reaching for straws.
No, they don’t. They never once say Mary sinned. Not even once.
All have sinned....that includes Mary, me and you.
Yes...it's the intention and kneeling is part of worship.
And by the catholics actions they are worshiping Mary. The idols of her, the prayers to her, calling her to help with salvation, saying we can only enter Heaven through Mary, saying no one is delivered or preserved from the world wide snares of Satan except through Mary, calling her mediatrix, co-redemptrix and say the roman catholic is worshiping Mary.
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