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To: DouglasKC; metmom; MHGinTN

quote-But again scripture clearly teaches this. Scripture screams “two” in the Godhead.

Douglas, there are patterns of ‘3’ in the Scriptures. Even what can be described as 3 parts of one whole(which is essentially what the trinity is)..

Zechariah 13:8 describes one of them:

1st part and 2nd part cut off and die, third left in and refined through fire.

2 of those parts are alike(cut off) and the 3rd is distinctly different (left in)

A man, it has been describe, as having ‘3’ parts:

Spirit and Soul, Body...
2 of those are ‘alike’. but one is distinctly different from the other two(body)

The Temple has ‘3’ parts-
Holy of Holies and Holy Place, and the Outer Court..

2 of those are alike. but one is distnctly different from the other two.(Outer Court)

3 parts of the ‘whole temple’..

One could argue that in a pattern of Father,Son and Holy Spirit it may look more like:

Father and Son , the Holy Spirit.

2 of those are alike (as human fathers and sons can witness to us) but the 3rd part is distnctly different.

3 parts of the same ‘whole’.

With the 3rd part in each or the above examples, being ‘different’ from the first two..

so instead of 1-2-3 it would more like 1-2, 3

He may be declaring ‘trinity’ to us in patterns that we can’t hear or see because we are deaf and blind to it.


88 posted on 02/10/2017 9:20:17 AM PST by delchiante
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To: delchiante
I know you have to find patterns of three because your belief system (not fully developed for over 3 centuries after Christ died) says that's the way it is. But again that's not what scripture says.

From the very beginning it's two in the Godhead:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 

Two. Not a 3rd called "holy spirit". Look at the creation of man:

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over the whole earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth on the earth.  Gen 1:27  And God created Man in his image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Created in his image...two.

Jesus Christ himself:

Joh_10:30  I and My Father are one."

Joh 17:21  that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 
Joh 17:22  And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 

Who is "one"? The father and son according to Jesus. The holy spirit isn't a separate person in the Godhead.

Dan_7:13  "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.

Son of Man and ancient of days...later father and son...but two.

Every glimpse of the heavenly realm in scripture shows many things...angels, the father and son. Never a separate entity called "the holy spirit".

Nearly every book in the new testament flat out says or strongly implies that God is father and son. All of Paul's greetings in each of his letters:

1Co_1:3  Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The holy spirit is NOT equated with them. It's not elevated as a separate person in this binary Godhead.

I could list hundreds of scriptures that show the father and son being elevated in "personhood"...but never is the holy spirit elevated similarly.

And again I don't want to beat a dead horse but the trinity doctrine was DEVELOPED over at least 300 years. It's NOT in the bible and nobody in the bible taught it.

Leaving the bible aside you can look at the design of people...binary. Two eyes. Two legs. Two ears. Two eyes. Two nostrils. Two brain halves. Two kidneys. Two lungs etc etc etc.

89 posted on 02/10/2017 1:41:57 PM PST by DouglasKC
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