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I know you have to find patterns of three because your belief system (not fully developed for over 3 centuries after Christ died) says that's the way it is. But again that's not what scripture says.

From the very beginning it's two in the Godhead:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Two. Not a 3rd called "holy spirit". Look at the creation of man:

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over the whole earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth on the earth. Gen 1:27 And God created Man in his image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Created in his image...two.

Jesus Christ himself:

Joh_10:30 I and My Father are one."

Joh 17:21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
Joh 17:22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

Who is "one"? The father and son according to Jesus. The holy spirit isn't a separate person in the Godhead.

Dan_7:13 "I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.

Son of Man and ancient of days...later father and son...but two.

Every glimpse of the heavenly realm in scripture shows many things...angels, the father and son. Never a separate entity called "the holy spirit".

Nearly every book in the new testament flat out says or strongly implies that God is father and son. All of Paul's greetings in each of his letters:

1Co_1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The holy spirit is NOT equated with them. It's not elevated as a separate person in this binary Godhead.

I could list hundreds of scriptures that show the father and son being elevated in "personhood"...but never is the holy spirit elevated similarly.

And again I don't want to beat a dead horse but the trinity doctrine was DEVELOPED over at least 300 years. It's NOT in the bible and nobody in the bible taught it.

Leaving the bible aside you can look at the design of people...binary. Two eyes. Two legs. Two ears. Two eyes. Two nostrils. Two brain halves. Two kidneys. Two lungs etc etc etc.

That is a weak argument.

Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack.

Sure, it shows the tie between the Father and the Son, but that does not show the Holy Spirit is not God.

The question still remains then.

Who or what is the Holy Spirit?

If He’s not God, then you have a created being functioning as God.

The fact that the Holy Spirit exists is beyond dispute.

You are left trying to explain who he really is.

quote-I know you have to find patterns of three because your belief system...

My belief system says God is 1.

And He is Spirit. and that Spirit has been represented to our finite brains in the form of the Father and Son most certainly- we can understand those ‘roles’ and governmental order.

Problem is, for our finite brains, the Father is Spirit, not flesh like our dads.. And the Son is the Word made Flesh.. So He too, is Spirit (made flesh)

And it is hard to see Spirit, which we can’t ‘see’, be anything but 1.

But the Spirit, although 1, has also been represented ‘like a dove’ and like ‘tongues of fire’..two completely different ‘likenesses’- in the New Testament Scriptures.

Scripture says God is my Helper (Psalm 30:10)- And Jesus says the Holy Spirit is our Helper..

Logic could say My Helper= God...Holy Spirit=Helper. God=Holy Spirit.

The people who sees the Holy Spirit as equal to the Father (who is Spirit), and the Son (who is the Word made Flesh- and that Word is Spirit and Life-John 6:63), certainly have a reason to think that way.

It may just be doctrinal squabbles and distractions...

I know God is one. And has done all the work- The work of Creation. The work of Redemption and currently the work of Convicting the world of sin, righteousness and judgment.

Not by might,nor by power, but by ‘My Spirit’..Zechariah 4..