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God Is Three
Grace to You.org ^ | 1997 | John MacArthur, Grace Community Church

Posted on 02/05/2017 3:05:14 PM PST by metmom

“The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all” (2 Corinthians 13:14).

Though there is only one God, He exists in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

God is one, but He exists in three distinct Persons. We call this the Trinity, a contraction of “tri-unity,” meaning “three in one.” The word Trinity doesn’t appear in the Bible, but God’s existence as three Persons in one God is clear from Scripture.

Old Testament evidence of God’s plurality can be found in the very first verse: “In the beginning God . . .” (Gen. 1:1). The Hebrew word used for God is Elohim, which is a plural noun. Isaiah 42:1 speaks of the Messiah: “Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations.” The Messiah says in Isaiah 48:16, “The Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.”

The New Testament is more explicit about God’s triune nature. After Jesus’ baptism, the Spirit of God descended upon Him as a dove, and the Father said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased” (Matt. 3:17). The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are together in the same scene.

Jesus says, “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth” (John 14:16-17). Paul closes 2 Corinthians by saying, “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all” (13:14). Peter declares that believers are chosen “according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 1:2).

So God is one, but God is three. This is a profound mystery that no human illustration can adequately describe and no scientific explanation can prove. The Trinity is something we have to take on faith, because God has taught it in Scripture.

Suggestions for Prayer

Praise God that He is so far above our finite understanding, yet has chosen to reveal Himself to us.

For Further Study

Read John 14—16.

What does Jesus teach about His relationship with the Father and the Spirit? What do you learn here about the different functions or ministries of each member of the Trinity?


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To: Ezekiel; metmom
Thanks for the ping. IMHO, this concept of "a Trinity", more often used to satisfy the "one God" requirement is one of those mysteries of the Almighty we hopefully will learn more about at the conclusion of this age.

My personal, scripture believing, feelings is the concept has a number of holes. Regardless, I see no issue whether one believes one way or the other. And ultimately, we're all part of the one, the creator, when carried to a logical conclusion. :)

"Prepare for a major paradigm shift very soon."

Amen.

21 posted on 02/06/2017 10:48:13 AM PST by amorphous
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To: kosciusko51
What is your understanding of John 1:1-18?

Why ask of my understanding, as if it's a matter of personal opinion.

1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ...

Who is any different than his own words? Liars are in the habit of lying; truth tellers speak truly.

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ...

What truthful word is *not* made flesh (made into a tangible form)? The regular world explains these things. The substance of everything intentionally created begins in the spirit, with a thought, word, promise, idea, vision, goal. If I say but not do, then my word is not truth. God's word is truth, because it is who He is and He is what He says.

1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

God is who He is. How to see that... how to see *Him*, even though He is an invisible spirit that does not change.

A: express the embodiment of everything He is, through a visible human being. Just as God describes Himself, is the essence of who He is - *I AM WHO I AM*. It's the simple of simple meanings. No games. No lies. No guile. Open, honest, sincere. WYSIWYG. Put a man like that on earth and its axiomatic that people won't recognize God's pure, loving truthful nature, because who ever sees that?! In a man? Yet there he is anyway, even if no one can believe what they are seeing. Must be scam, a joke, or some terribly crafty and devious fellow. Or worse... a blasphemer.

The religious experts in the NT were more intellectually honest than modern preachers, because they understood the nature of blasphemy. The trouble was, the were falsely accusing Jesus of claiming to be God. False accusers, that is who they were. Jesus was hit with their snippy little Gotcha! games on a regular basis.

Imagine having some CNN reporter shove a microphone in your face at every turn, eager to trap you in your words. And if that didn't work, he could go back to the studio and have the people there work their magic for the next news segment, then run it 24/7 for the next week or month. Whatever it takes.

Jesus' mere existence exposed and upended the established order. President Trump is a living parable, front and center for all to see and behold the "impossible". The Establishment is desperate to be rid of him because he makes them look like the useless, corrupt, lying, dysfunctional creatures that they are. Some in Christian religious circles are already rubbing their chins because of his association with Paula White. Dining with sinners, he is!

This is serious stuff but pretty funny actually. Boils down to who will be able to laugh and say, "Ooops, boy did I get it wrong," and then wholly and humbly submit to the superior mind of the Master who is all about the beauty and fullness in simplicity. He hath laid everything out in open all along, for anyone willing to observe. Another pun there... God being so keen on observance and all.

The more anyone looks, the more there is to see, like looking at a physical object with the naked eye, and then with a magnifying glass, and then a microscope. All the same substance. All the same truth. An apple does not become an orange when it is looked at upon closer inspection, but that's what the doctrines try to claim. Then when the lies are exposed because the esoteric doesn't match the exoteric - as it should - the teachers pipe up with, "It's a mystery of God you have to take on faith!" Okaay...

Anyway,

I do not write to those who have it all worked out already according to football scores and odds and established wisdom, but for those whose minds are still open to the "impossible".

Paradigm shift. The truth is going to destroy people with the brightness of its coming, because it will be so blindingly obvious. Death by dumb puns, like a president named Trump, whose international hotel logo is a capital T coming up from the foundation of the earth.

Truth is stranger than fiction. The world of weird (Divine orchestration) has been announcing itself throughout this generation but who's really been taking notice? There's a grand irony of the men of Galilee gazing up into the heavens, listening to what two men in white had to say, only to miss the message!

In the beginning was the Word...

22 posted on 02/06/2017 12:27:04 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel

What about Revelation 1:17-18?

And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


23 posted on 02/06/2017 12:32:18 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: Ezekiel
Why ask of my understanding, as if it's a matter of personal opinion.

There is a differences between understanding and personal opinion. When Philip in Acts 8:30 said "Do you understand what you are reading?", he wasn't asking for opinion.

24 posted on 02/06/2017 12:40:41 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: Ezekiel
The more anyone looks, the more there is to see, like looking at a physical object with the naked eye, and then with a magnifying glass, and then a microscope.

A real world example of that very thing, and how little we know about what we can see and feel, much less about the unseen mysterious of the Almighty.

Magnetic Graphite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAqTRHptVrQ

25 posted on 02/06/2017 12:47:16 PM PST by amorphous
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To: kosciusko51

Okay, thanks much for the clarification.

There’s a lot of “this is my understanding of..”, or “as I understand it..”, and so forth, yet they don’t compare, like apples and oranges. :)


26 posted on 02/06/2017 1:05:48 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: amorphous
Thanks. Interesting. The categories remind me of the kingdom classifications of life. Some life forms have trouble neatly fitting into one column or the other, but that is the inherent limitations on human definitions.

But whatever the *it* is, it is nonetheless just what it is, with its individual properties, regardless of how it is defined.

God tells us that He is who He is. The more observant we are, the more we see, but He doesn't change.

27 posted on 02/06/2017 1:38:59 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Elsie
By far the three largest nontrinitarian Christian denominations are ...

It just proves what we all know anyway that just because someone calls themselves Christian, doesn't mean they ARE Christian.

28 posted on 02/06/2017 7:39:46 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Ezekiel
Jesus tells us who HE is:

12Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 13The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. 14Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 15Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. 16And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me. 17It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. 18I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. 19Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

20These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come. 21Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come. 22Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come. 23And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. 26I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. 27They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. 28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. 29And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 30As he spake these words, many believed on him.

31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Before Abraham Was, I Am

48Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? 49Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. 51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. (John 8:12-59)

29 posted on 02/06/2017 8:05:07 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Ezekiel; kosciusko51; metmom; Elsie
There’s a lot of “this is my understanding of..”, or “as I understand it..”, and so forth, yet they don’t compare, like apples and oranges. :)

So WHO do you believe Jesus is? I get the impression you don't want to directly answer that question. Jesus said we would die in our sins if we do not believe He is "I AM". Almighty God is I AM. Ergo...Jesus IS God with us (see Isaiah 7:14).

You disparage the word "Trinity" and call it a "hot mess" but the word comes from the Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from trinus, "threefold". There is substantial Scriptural evidence that points to the threefold nature of Almighty God. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God as Scripture tells us. Yet, we don't worship three Gods because God is ONE - besides Him there is no other god. Regardless of what you think of the creeds and man's attempts to succinctly describe what our faith believes, you must believe or reject it. So, which is it? It's not apples and oranges.

30 posted on 02/06/2017 8:19:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
So WHO do you believe Jesus is? I get the impression you don't want to directly answer that question.

John 10

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Jesus said we would die in our sins if we do not believe He is "I AM". Almighty God is I AM. Ergo...Jesus IS God with us (see Isaiah 7:14).

John 8

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Then took they up stones to cast at him, because as is consistent throughout the narratives, they didn't have a clue as to what he was saying. The modern "enlightened" view says the experts understood what Jesus was saying. That's why the trinity is a hot mess. The beliefs of the Pharisees and scribes are used as "proof" texts. They thought he was claiming to be God. That much is obvious. At least back then, they got really worked up about a man appearing to be committing blasphemy. Nowadays it's become a tenet of the faith!

It is axiomatic that the most humble man on the face of the earth is not God, nor would he ever think that. If he believed in the trinity he wouldn't know who he was.

As far as I AM WHO I AM... why yes, that who God is. It's His name because it is His essence, His character. What I already explained: honest, open, whole-hearted, sincere: WYSIWYG. His representive is that way too. Like father; like son.. a man after God's own heart.

There's a reason he's the son of David. Same heart and soul. A man comes along acting like that and the smart people freak out, 'cause maybe he's not wired right. Something really "off" about him. Cagey fellow too, can't seem to get a straight answer out of him.. and to make matters worse, the ignorant masses are following him. Funny that they don't think he's shifty at all; they can't get enough of him. They recognized David's son, a just man of great love and mercy like his father.

Signs of the times: Super Bowl scoreboard sign with a countdown timer. That third quarter... everybody *knew* that the Patriots were going to lose, and lose badly. All that knowledge, down the drain.

31 posted on 02/06/2017 9:42:57 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Kerping


32 posted on 02/06/2017 9:50:52 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: Ezekiel
Yep...STILL evading the question.

The Jewish religious leaders knew that someone claiming to be the Son of God was saying he was EQUAL to God, he was God.

    But Jesus answered them, “To this very day My Father is at His work, and I too am working.” Because of this, the Jews tried all the harder to kill Him. Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. (John 5:17,18)

The New Testament is rife with statements that confirm Jesus IS God. Here are a few:

    For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form. (Colossians 2:9)

    All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (John 1:3)

    He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. (Colossians 1:15-17)

We also have Messianic prophecies that tell us the same such as:

    For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)

Sorry, but the Trinity is NOT a "hot mess", it is taught in God's word. You, however, may find yourself in a hot place for eternity if you reject the deity of Jesus Christ.

33 posted on 02/06/2017 10:11:15 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

Speaking with His closest disciples (in John 14) it is JESUS Who tells them ‘If you have seen M you have seen the Father’ ... I would explain that using the notions of dimensional variability but there are a couple of non-Christians on this threads who delight in winding Gordian knots from simple sentences. Suffice it to say, JESUS gave them a simple Physics lesson, that in their human state all they could see of God IS where He intersected their spacetime limits.


34 posted on 02/06/2017 10:26:35 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: Ezekiel
They thought he was claiming to be God. That much is obvious. At least back then, they got really worked up about a man appearing to be committing blasphemy. Nowadays it's become a tenet of the faith! It is axiomatic that the most humble man on the face of the earth is not God, nor would he ever think that. If he believed in the trinity he wouldn't know who he was.

I wouldn't doubt that the Jewish religious leaders recognized blasphemy when they heard it! Do you think they didn't understand what Jesus was saying when he forgave sins, when he talked about Abraham rejoicing to see his day AND seeing it? Or when Jesus talked about "I and the Father are one" or using the personal name of God (I AM) about himself? What about when Jesus called himself the “Lord of the Sabbath”? Or not correcting Thomas who declared, "My Lord and my God!", upon touching Jesus' resurrected body? He also said he was the "Son of Man" and the rightful heir to the divine throne of David. The Jewish leaders sure KNEW what he meant because they knew the prophet Daniel said:

    In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. (Daniel 7:13,14)

Jesus DID claim to be God by these many examples and throughout the rest of Scripture, His Deity is affirmed. Deny it at your risk. But think about this...if Jesus wasn't God incarnate, how could he be the sacrifice for the sins of the world? Only God is without sin. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega - the beginning and end - just like God.

    I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.(Revelation 1:8)

    “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” (Revelation 22:12-16)

35 posted on 02/06/2017 10:45:55 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: MHGinTN

It is a wondrous thing to imagine how the Creator and sustainer of the universe deigned to lower Himself into our space and time and take on human flesh, but He did so that His creation could be redeemed and justice meted out. Because He was God incarnate, Jesus could offer His sinless shed blood to make atonement for our sins satisfying the law that without the shedding of blood there is no remission nor atonement for sins.

I don’t know the motivations of those who post on these threads, but I DO believe the word of God will not return to Him void but it shall accomplish that which He pleases, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto HE sent it. Amen?


36 posted on 02/06/2017 10:57:15 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums

A hearty AMEN!


37 posted on 02/07/2017 6:43:07 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: boatbums
Yep...STILL evading the question . The Jewish religious leaders knew that someone claiming to be the Son of God was saying he was EQUAL to God, he was God.

Surrre they 'knew', therefore no one but no one was going to change their minds about it, either. Settled doctrine. As it is today.

John 10

24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Because he said that he was the Son of God, he was falsely accused of blasphemy, making himself God. His attempt at correction, by appealing to the very Scripture the accusers ostensibly knew, fell on deaf ears. All he did was anger them more.

I post for the lurkers who sense that there's just something really off about the whole overbearing nature and hostility endemic in Dogma-ville, but can't quite put their fingers on it. God bless you, whoever you are.

Sorry, but the Trinity is NOT a "hot mess", it is taught in God's word. You, however, may find yourself in a hot place for eternity if you reject the deity of Jesus Christ.

That's the spirit. It comes out when it perceives that I steadfastly refuse to embrace falsehood. Most everyone else has submitted to its 'undeniable proofs', so what's Ezekiel's problem. You'd think one lone voice of dissent wouldn't be any bother to anybody, but when folks are absolutely convinced that they are serving God, they'll double down on rounding up the 'lost' sheep. After all, the other 99 are safely in the fold. All in love, so-called.

Anyway, the Messiah... what a beautiful man, as man should be: selfless, unassuming, generous, compassionate, merciful, kind, thoughtful, full of love. He cares sooo much. It is who he is. Open, honest, sincere, whole-hearted. He judges righteous judgment because he carefully considers all the angles. That's because he is extraordinarily observant, with unparalleled powers of discernment. Can't fool him. Therefore, when he said my sins are forgiven, I know he meant it. He has the power.

Therefore, I'm rolling with that guy. He's the one truly showing the way. He is the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the Father except by him. He has a very calming effect, a peace that surpasses all understanding. No strife in his world.

Yet a lot of folks don't wish to see how that is supposed to work, much less desire to follow his lead and emulate his amazing soul. They've got him figured for a man-god hybrid, meaning nobody could get anywhere close to truly being like him, or that perhaps they don't even need to be or want to be. It goes a long way in explaining why a lot of people who *say* that they love him and follow him, unwittingly expose themselves as liars.

If they loved him and his ways, which are his father's ways, they'd act like him and speak like him. It's like when two people are a perfect match... they are naturally as one, with one voice and mind, able to finish each other's sentences.

Time is reeeeally short. The world is so full of surprises these days, but it doesn't have to be. The true Messiah at the door isn't going to come in and fixate on dust bunnies or dirty dishes. He will, however, take note of any Christian music blaring and reverberating through the walls, because that would be a real pox on the neighbors. For some people, that *will* be why he is at the door. Best not to tangle with 'the Law'.

I already posted the image of whom I follow, but here he is again:


38 posted on 02/07/2017 9:36:09 AM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel; boatbums
Most everyone else has submitted to its 'undeniable proofs', so what's Ezekiel's problem. You'd think one lone voice of dissent wouldn't be any bother to anybody...

For what it's worth, and I hope it's of comfort, I think you're closer to the truth than anyone else who's writings I've seen so far on this thread.

To explain one's position requires a lot of time and referencing. It's something I don't have the time for now. Suffice to say, there are a lot of holes in the concept of a Trinity.

So far, most of what I've seen posted is taken out of context. Even whom Christ was speaking to at the time isn't being taken into consideration, nor what he was trying to convey, that those present were at the threshold of God's Kingdom on earth.

Also being ignored are the multiple resurrections in the Almighty's plan for man's salvation. I'm of the strong opinion this is what Christ was trying to explain to them. Basically, he brought with Him another option besides the one of having to face a final Judgement after one's death.

His option, if they believed on Him, was one whereby some will not experience death. Hence His statement, "they would die in their Sins", IMO. But they refused Him, and by refusing Him, missed out on their generation witnessing the Kingdom of God established on earth at the time, and avoiding personal death and future Judgement.

This is all very complex, deserves much thought, careful analysis, and control of one's tongue. Certainly condemnation of others who see things differently on such a complex issue, as the Trinity, is against everything Christ taught.


2 Peter 3

"...just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."


Above all, love one another - that is the highest commandment, as the image you posted represents. :)

39 posted on 02/07/2017 11:42:53 AM PST by amorphous
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To: amorphous

Thank you.

The image is beautiful in its wholesome simplicity. It’s the distilled meaning.


40 posted on 02/07/2017 12:26:01 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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