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To: ealgeone
The roman catholic mass goes against what is revealed in the New Testament.

So what has the New Testament revealed to y'all? The Church of Me? You reject the Sacrament of Confession, that's in the New Testament.

816 posted on 01/16/2017 5:40:20 PM PST by ebb tide (Bergoglio wants a moral revolution; so does Lucifer.)
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To: ebb tide; ealgeone

There is no formality to confession in the New Testament. The obligation to perform it is met any time a believer approaches another believer to confess their error. The notion of transferring that responsibility from the offending parties to a priestly hierarchy is NOT taught in the New Testament.

The problem you have is that if Christians (of any denomination) limited their practices to only what was clearly exampled in the New Testament for New Testament believers, it would not produce the Roman denomination as it exists today. Of course, the RCC justifies this as a function of progressive development of doctrine. The downside to that theory is it has no logical stopping point, if Scripture cannot be used as the final court of appeal. The ‘development’ of doctrine can go to places just as fanciful as anything ever concocted outside the RCC. The defense to that is the assertion that, ‘no it can’t because ...’ and at that point the RCC defers back to a presumption of RCC authority. This is a fatally circular argument. Really, the only thing that defends one against the self-referential authority argument is an external arbiter, such as Scripture.

As for what the NT reveals, it is frightful to think some still believe Christians outside the RCC can only produce man-centered theologies. I could excuse that during the medieval period, when we didn’t have widespread print or electronic media. Nowadays there is simply no excuse. Protestant/Evangelical theology is magnificently centered in God and Christ. Even in the teaching on the Lord’s Supper the emphasis is NOT subjective experience but the eternal glory of God’s love revealed in the love of Christ dying for our sins. This is not a thing to which any knowledgeable RC could object.

Peace,

SR


823 posted on 01/16/2017 6:21:44 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: ebb tide
You reject the Sacrament of Confession, that's in the New Testament.

We reject what the Catholic church calls as confession as there is NO precedent for it as the Catholic church practices it anywhere in the NT.

And admonition of confessing out sins to each other does not mean going to a separated priestly class to do it nor is there any instruction for the whole confessional thing.

we believe in going to the person we wronged to ask them to forgive us, not anonymously going to a third party and telling them about it and never making it right with the party we wronged.

That's the cowardly way out. It's MUCH harder to confess to the person we wronged face to face and admit that we wronged them and ask them to forgive us for it.

The problem a lot of Catholics have is conflating rejection of the false teachings of Catholicism with rejection of God.

Not the same thing at all.

842 posted on 01/16/2017 6:56:26 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide
You reject the Sacrament of Confession, that's in the New Testament.

Rome rejects the letter that it's leaders supposedly wrote in Acts 15.

872 posted on 01/16/2017 8:01:27 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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