Which is more desperation. While unlike Mary, God does say "thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name," (Psalms 138:2) and unlike Mary the Holy Spirit inspired 176 verses in one Psalm alone esteeming His word, not the holy instruments who instrumentally provided it, and unlike Mary, the Bible does "speak" the unchanging assured wholly inspired word of God, yet we do not beseech the Bible itself for help, and beseech it to intercede for us.
Meanwhile you make a mockery of and accuse:
Indeed. Why kind of argument is that? I do the like to Joseph Smith. Invoking those who believe lesser errors does not make them Scriptural, which is the standard. Try to get that.
And remember Mary in the Book, when she withdrew from her family to an eastern place. And she veiled herself from them. Then We [God] sent unto her Our Spirit [the angel Gabriel], and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. She said, "I seek refuge from thee in the Compassionate [i.e., God], if you are reverent!" He said, "I am but a messenger of thy Lord, to bestow upon thee a pure boy."
She said, "How shall I have a boy when no man has touched me, nor have I been unchaste?" He said, "Thus shall it be. Thy Lord says, It is easy for Me." And [it is thus] that We might make him a sign unto mankind, and a mercy from Us. And it is a matter decreed.
So she conceived him and withdrew with him to a place far off. And the pangs of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a date palm. She said, "Would that I had died before this and was a thing forgotten, utterly forgotten!" So he called out to her from below her, "Grieve not! Thy Lord has placed a rivulet beneath thee. And shake toward thyself the trunk of the date palm; fresh, ripe dates shall fall upon thee. So eat and drink and cool thine eye. And if thou seest any human being, say, Verily I have vowed a fast unto the Compassionate, so I shall not speak this day to any man."
Then she came with him [the infant Jesus] unto her people, carrying him. They said, "O Mary! Thou hast brought an amazing thing! O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not an evil man, nor was thy mother unchaste." Then she pointed to him [Jesus]. They said, "How shall we speak to one who is yet a child in the cradle?"
He [Jesus] said, "Truly I am a servant of God. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet. He has made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving so long as I live, and [has made me] dutiful toward my mother. And He has not made me domineering, wretched. Peace be upon me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day I am raised alive!"
I can see where Rome gets its ideas from!
A simple way to examine this is to see what the Bible has to say about both as the Bible is the only agreed upon source.
The appeal to the ECFs fails due to their contradictory positions on the issues.
What accord are we to give to Mary? The Bible is clear...we will "count her blessed" as Luke recorded in 1:48. And that's as far as the Bible goes in any attribution to Mary.
What accord are we to give to the Bible...or another way to put it...God's word.
Your word I have treasured in my heart, That I may not sin against You. Psalm 119:11
I delight to do Your will, O my God; Your Law is within my heart." Psalm 40:8
"But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Jeremiah 31:33
I delight to do Your will, O my God; Your Law is within my heart." Psalm 40:8
The appeal to Scripture in the New Testament is well attested to as is the admonition to learn it.
You, however, continue in the things you have learned and become convinced of, knowing from whom you have learned them, 15and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:14-17