Theologian: Shared Communion With Protestants Would be Blasphemy and Sacrilege

National Catholic Register ^ | January 2, 2017 | Edward Pentin

[BlessedBeGod]

...If the Church were to change its rules on shared Eucharistic Communion it would “go against Revelation and the Magisterium”, leading Christians to “commit blasphemy and sacrilege,” an Italian theologian has warned.

Drawing on the Church’s teaching based on Sacred Scripture and Tradition, Msgr. Nicola Bux, a former consulter to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, stressed that non-Catholic Christians must have undertaken baptism and confirmation in the Catholic Church, and repented of grave sin through sacramental confession, in order to be able to receive Jesus in the Eucharist.

Msgr. Bux was responding to the Register about concerns that elements of the current pontificate might be sympathetic of a form of “open Communion” proposed by the German Protestant theologian, Jürgen Moltmann.

The concerns have arisen primarily due to the Holy Father’s own comments on Holy Communion and Lutherans, his apparent support for some remarried divorcees to receive Holy Communion, and how others have used his frequently repeated maxim about the Eucharist: that it is “not a prize for the perfect, but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”

The debate specifically over intercommunion with Christian denominations follows recent remarks by Cardinal Walter Kasper who, in a Dec. 10 interview with Avvenire, said he hopes Pope Francis’ next declaration will open the way for intercommunion with other denominations “in special cases.”

The German theologian said shared Eucharistic communion is just a matter of time, and that the Pope’s recent participation in the Reformation commemoration in Lund has given “a new thrust” to the “ecumenical process.”

Pope Francis has often expressed his admiration for Cardinal Kasper’s theology whose thinking has significantly influenced…the priorities of this pontificate, particularly on the Eucharist.

For Moltmann, Holy Communion is “the Lord's supper, not something organized by a church or a denomination”...

[metmom]

So you are in for novelty every week?

Why not?

Is there something wrong with that?

Is it morally wrong?

[ebb tide]

Would you consider the Crucifixion at Golgotha to be boring and vain repetition?

[metmom]

Ok. I finally got it out you. You think you can confess your sins directly to God.

No, I don't THINK I can confess my sins directly to God...... I KNOW I can confess my sins directly to God.

Nobody ever said we DIDN'T confess our sins to God.

How will you know if He absolves you or if He retains your sins?

I know He forgives me because He promised in His word that He would.

1 John 1:7-10 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

It's almost tomorrow. I HAVE to get to bed.

Later.

[metmom]

No. It happened only once.

It’s a done deal, never to be repeated again.

[acapesket]

Umm no. Because I do not have a clue what you are talking about.
Does that make me a bad Catholic?

[ealgeone]

Game. Set. Match!

[mitch5501]

"You think you can confess your sins directly to God"

Hebrews 4:16 "Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need"

"How will you know if He absolves you or if He retains your sins?"

1st John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness"

[acapesket]

no, he was a Jew which is why we support Israel.

[ebb tide]

Where did you come from?

I wasn’t even addressing you.

[BlueDragon]

Ok. I finally got it out you. You think you can confess your sins directly to God. How will you know if He absolves you or if He retains your sins?

How did king David know that his sins were forgiven him?

Or is this Christ, this root of Jesse, son of David, son of an unforgiven (thus damned) king?

Is that the kingdom that was prophesied to David would go on forever?

We may as well just walk away, forget the whole thing, if that be the case (that David remained unforgiven-- not having received absolution by a priest for each and every sin -- no exceptions).

It appears to me that instead -- the man confessed his sins to the whole world. He didn't try to hide acknowledgement of his own sins among his own people, anyway.

[MHGinTN]

You poor soul, you ask, we answer, you ignore, and repeat your foolishness. Why not stop this ridiculous effort at gotcha and just talk with the Lord. He is faithful AND Just, so He is waiting for you to turn to Him, not your ‘religion’.

[acapesket]

Sawyer!I am not the most competent poster.
get ovah Ya self!

[ebb tide]

Here we go with the “we” again.

My, how all you heretics flock together.

[Springfield Reformer]

To whom did the tax collector confess his sins?

Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men--extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.' And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
(Luke 18:9-14)

Peace,

SR

[Mark17]

I was born again on January 31st, 1970, near Bogus Basin ski resort, Boise, Idaho. I had been baptized as a catholic as a baby, and I think I went to mass maybe three more times after my born again experience. I was baptized again, along with two others, in the swimming pool, at Bien Hoa Air Base, Republic of South Vietnam. It was hot in Vietnam, so I didn't mind the dip in the pool.
We made PACAF/MACV news at Tan Son Nhut. We also got home town news releases. My family wasn't too happy, that I dumped the Catholic Church, but they got over it. So did I. 😀😄😎

[MHGinTN]

You have the audacity to question a Promise from God? Wow, are you in for a surprise! What part of ‘He is Faithful and Just to forgives us’ are you hung out to dangle over?

[af_vet_1981]

False dilemma. Everyone injured is owed a confession. God, the wife, the mistress, the kids. Everyone harmed by the sin. In some cases, such as murder, there is no possibility of reconciliation in this life, but even under those circumstances confession to God remains possible, and eventual reconciliation in the life to come.

The Jews coming to John in the spirit of Elijah the Prophet, confessed their sins at his baptism, not to those who they had wronged. The woman was forgiven without confessing to those she had wronged with her adultery. When the sick man had his sins forgiven, the Jewish people glorified God who had given the power to forgive sins to men. The Messiah gave his Apostles the power to forgive or retain sins. The represent Him.

In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

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And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city. And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee. And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts? For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house. And he arose, and departed to his house. But when the multitudes saw it, they marvelled, and glorified God, which had given such power unto men.

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Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

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Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Matthew, Catholic chapter three, Protestant verses one to six,
Matthew, Catholic chapter nine, Protestant verses one to eight,
John, Catholic chapter eight, Protestant verses one to eleven,
John, Catholic chapter twenty, Protestant verses twenty one to twenty three,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James

[acapesket]

Congratulations.
Grace is a gift from God, but you seem kind of Angry.
I did some nutty stuff in Sunny CA in the 70’s as well, my bro was molested by the Fags at Saint John’s in Brighton..Jesuits.
He’s id dead.
You want a medal?

[ebb tide]

The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men--extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.'

Thanks for making my point. Do you think God absolved this Pharisee? If so, how would he have known?

[ebb tide]

Here’s how a Catholic confession begins:

“I confess to Almighty God, and to you father, for the following sins..”

Is that questioning a promise from God?