Could Pope Francis Be a Secret Protestant?

[pinochet]

Pope Francis put up a statue of Martin Luther in a prominent place in the Vatican. He then received a delegation of Lutherans, who presented him with a copy of Luther's 95 Thesis. He then put on a blue scarf, representing the Lutheran tradition, at his meeting with the Lutherans.

See:

http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A700-Luther.htm

Luther, who was historically considered a Catholic heretic and apostate, has received more honor from Pope Francis than most Catholic saints. On the other hand, conservative Catholic cardinals like Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Sarah, are treated like dirt.

What more evidence do we need, to prove that Francis is a secret liberal Protestant, who unexpectedly found himself holding the position of the papacy?

[meyer]

I would question whether he is a Christian or not, given his take on so many subjects.

[Elsie]

What more evidence do we need, to prove that Francis is a secret liberal Protestant, who unexpectedly found himself holding the position of the papacy

Well; until a picture is published of him kissing a Quran Apocrypha-less bible...

[Elsie]

This guy Francis is a fourflusher, traitor to the RC Church and an obvious plant of the devil. The sooner we can be rid of him the better. Somebody needs to put the mal occhio on this one fast.

Wait just a ding danged minute here!!

He was VOTED into office by some really high ranking Catholics!

Are you trying to infer that THEY didn't know what they were doing?

That THEY were NOT led by the Holy Spirit in this matter???

[Elsie]

What’s a fourflusher?

I could tell ya; but then I have to shoot ya!

[Elsie]

John 14:15-21 If you love me, keep my commandments.

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1 John 3:21-24
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

[Elsie]

If you mean the Church's authentic teachings --- what Christ teaches us through the Church --- then the objective is to serve Christ and to manifest our love for Him.

Why have you disrespected Mary by leaving HER out of the chain of command?

[Elsie]

We told you 1600 or so years ago that this was a bad idea.

We told you around 1600 or so...

[Elsie]

Bergoglio has winked at protestant spouses of Catholics sacrilegiously receiving Holy Communion.

And just HOW does one do THAT??

[Elsie]

[Elsie]

The Holy Spirit is the same that guided Peter and the apostles and the early Church.

That worked out well.

NOT!

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The early church's Peter stood CONDEMNED because he was Clearly WRONG!

Galatians 2:11
When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.

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The seven CATHOLIC churches in ASIA were called out for gross ERROR by an ANGEL who had John write out the WARNINGS!!

First three chapters of Revelation.

[Elsie]

... it was the Catholic Church...

We Prots thank you and actually USE the bible you guys assembled.

[Elsie]

... it was the Catholic Church over 300 years that gleaned thousands of fragments over a course of 100-200 years sorted out what is God’s Word and what is not.

We hope your 'sorters' were NOT the same kind of 'selectors' that elected your latest pope.

[Elsie]

Who’s to say he’s not the anti-Christ?

Uh...
...the Book that Rome assembled long ago???

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These are the only places that antichrist is mentioned.

 

 

 

1 John 2:18
  Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
 
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist —denying the Father and the Son.
 
1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist , which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
 
2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist .
 

[Elsie]

Protestant website telling us how the Bible came about? LOL!

Oy vey!!

A Catholic apologist telling us how their Old Testement came about? LOL!

[Elsie]

This kind of cut and paste stuff is sophomoric theology refuted by historians, scholars, theologians, philosophers, saints, and converts of every stripe and from every part of this planet over two millennia.

I see...

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As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following bishops promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:

 • Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:

'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.

• Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:

You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].

• Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:

'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455

• Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:

Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)

• Cyril of Alexandria:

When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.

• Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):

“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'

“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)

• Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II): Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.

[Jim Noble]

What incentive is there for a Catholic to remain obedient to the church's teachings

I suppose that depends on what you believe about the Church's teachings.

[Elsie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Catholicism

Really?

This group of deceived folks is somehow supposed to convince us of the TRUTH of Catholicism?

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Logical fallicies 4&5

 

4. Appeal to the Popular - Urging the hearer to accept a position because a majority of people hold to it.
Example: The majority of people like soda. Therefore, soda is good.
Example: Everyone else is doing it. Why shouldn't you?

 

5. Appeal to Tradition - Trying to get someone to accept something because it has been done or believed for a long time.
Example: This is the way we've always done it. Therefore, it is the right way.
Example: The Catholic church's tradition demonstrates that this doctrine is true.

[metmom]

Then just how is it being protected from error?

[metmom]

This kind of cut and paste stuff is sophomoric theology refuted by historians, scholars, theologians, philosophers, saints, and converts of every stripe and from every part of this planet over two millennia.

And then you go and provide a LINK?!?!?!

Do you not see the hypocrisy?

At least bb went to the trouble of providing the text for all to read without chasing down a like to WIKIPEDIA of all things.

[metmom]

How do you know it’s false unless you read it first?