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The Fastest-Growing Churches Have Modern Worship, Teach Literal Interpretation of the Bible: Study
Christian Post ^ | 11/30/2016 | Brandon Showalter

Posted on 11/30/2016 2:41:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Salvation
2 Timothy 4:3 NIV For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
121 posted on 12/01/2016 1:25:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Puppage
Perhaps you should send them a note to read scripture?

1 Timothy 2:8 NIV

Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing.

122 posted on 12/01/2016 1:26:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I think the purpose to which their wealth is put is the ultimate proof of the pudding. God will bless in order that they may bless others.

And for some of them, I honestly don’t know the full story, so at least am reluctant to damn their wealth (even if they make some theological mistakes). The owner of what might appear a frivolously splurgey mansion might be carrying on some ministry activities that are private and not even shared with most of his congregation. I’d want to smell that out before criticizing.


123 posted on 12/01/2016 1:27:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Engedi

Thanks for your witness here!


124 posted on 12/01/2016 1:28:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
You still are a Catholic and come back at any time.


125 posted on 12/01/2016 1:31:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: G Larry
Well, except for when they don’t:

Call no man father...

126 posted on 12/01/2016 1:32:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
The Tenach (5 Books of Moses) are not to be interpreted literally. The Jews do not interpret what is written literally. The New Testament is interpreted by many sects, differently hence, the main messages are garbled...not so for the Jews.
127 posted on 12/01/2016 1:35:33 AM PST by Netz ( and looking for a way ti IMPROVE mankind.)
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To: Elsie

In a Jewish context, this would have been a warning against the popular concept of rabbis and their role. The rabbi literally interpreted everything for his followers.

Does this carry over to clergy of what is supposedly an objectively doctrined Christian body? One might say a looser concept of father is intended than what the Lord warned against. As Paul was Timothy’s “father” in the gospel. Whether that looser concept is maintained in practice, is another question.


128 posted on 12/01/2016 1:36:43 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Netz

The New Testament is about heavenly authorship, not about earthly.


129 posted on 12/01/2016 1:40:02 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
“Mainline” must mean something different in Canada.

Possibly...


The term mainstream Christian in academic usage is not equivalent to mainline Protestant and is often used as an attempt to find non-loaded sociological vocabulary in distinguishing orthodoxy and heresy.[34] Hence in christological and doctrinal reference mainstream Christianity is often equivalent to Trinitarianism. In the United Kingdom and Australia, the term mainline Protestant is not used, and mainstream does not mean progressive Protestant.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainline_Protestant


More stuff about CANADA at the link

130 posted on 12/01/2016 1:41:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pollster1
Can you imagine if Barack Hussein had been by statute the head of the Church of the United States?

Can you imagine the authenticity that Romney would have given MORMONism if he'd been elected POTUS??

131 posted on 12/01/2016 1:42:49 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

It isn’t even about what we need to “do” but whom we need to accept (understanding what His attitude is). “What must we do to be saved” wasn’t answered with a discourse on methods of worship. Certainly John’s gospel, which was purposed so that we may believe and, believing, may have eternal life, said nothing about methods, but very much about the person and attitude of Jesus Christ.


132 posted on 12/01/2016 1:44:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cloudmountain
It's that rigid Catholic Church that teaches the one interpretation of the Bible

Ha ha HA!!



As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18

Augustine, sermon:

"Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter's confession. What is Peter's confession? 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' There's the rock for you, there's the foundation, there's where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer.John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine , © 1993 New City Press, Sermons, Vol III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327

Upon this rock, said the Lord, I will build my Church. Upon this confession, upon this that you said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,' I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer her (Mt. 16:18). John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 236A.3, p. 48.

Augustine, sermon:

For petra (rock) is not derived from Peter, but Peter from petra; just as Christ is not called so from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. For on this very account the Lord said, 'On this rock will I build my Church,' because Peter had said, 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.' On this rock, therefore, He said, which thou hast confessed, I will build my Church. For the Rock (Petra) was Christ; and on this foundation was Peter himself built. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Christ Jesus. The Church, therefore, which is founded in Christ received from Him the keys of the kingdom of heaven in the person of Peter, that is to say, the power of binding and loosing sins. For what the Church is essentially in Christ, such representatively is Peter in the rock (petra); and in this representation Christ is to be understood as the Rock, Peter as the Church. — Augustine Tractate CXXIV; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: First Series, Volume VII Tractate CXXIV (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf107.iii.cxxv.html)

Augustine, sermon:

And Peter, one speaking for the rest of them, one for all, said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mt 16:15-16)...And I tell you: you are Peter; because I am the rock, you are Rocky, Peter-I mean, rock doesn't come from Rocky, but Rocky from rock, just as Christ doesn't come from Christian, but Christian from Christ; and upon this rock I will build my Church (Mt 16:17-18); not upon Peter, or Rocky, which is what you are, but upon the rock which you have confessed. I will build my Church though; I will build you, because in this answer of yours you represent the Church. — John Rotelle, O.S.A. Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 270.2, p. 289

Augustine, sermon:

Peter had already said to him, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' He had already heard, 'Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not conquer her' (Mt 16:16-18)...Christ himself was the rock, while Peter, Rocky, was only named from the rock. That's why the rock rose again, to make Peter solid and strong; because Peter would have perished, if the rock hadn't lived. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City, 1993) Sermons, Volume III/7, Sermon 244.1, p. 95

Augustine, sermon:

...because on this rock, he said, I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not overcome it (Mt. 16:18). Now the rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4). Was it Paul that was crucified for you? Hold on to these texts, love these texts, repeat them in a fraternal and peaceful manner. — John Rotelle, Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1995), Sermons, Volume III/10, Sermon 358.5, p. 193

Augustine, Psalm LXI:

Let us call to mind the Gospel: 'Upon this Rock I will build My Church.' Therefore She crieth from the ends of the earth, whom He hath willed to build upon a Rock. But in order that the Church might be builded upon the Rock, who was made the Rock? Hear Paul saying: 'But the Rock was Christ.' On Him therefore builded we have been. — Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1956), Volume VIII, Saint Augustin, Exposition on the Book of Psalms, Psalm LXI.3, p. 249. (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf108.ii.LXI.html)

• Augustine, in “Retractions,”

In a passage in this book, I said about the Apostle Peter: 'On him as on a rock the Church was built.'...But I know that very frequently at a later time, I so explained what the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter. But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable. — The Fathers of the Church (Washington D.C., Catholic University, 1968), Saint Augustine, The Retractations Chapter 20.1:.

 

133 posted on 12/01/2016 1:44:44 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

As it is, the Lord brought us a man who was, some time back, a nominal Presbyterian. He might be more than nominal now, with a literal cloud of witnesses around him.


134 posted on 12/01/2016 1:46:51 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: cloudmountain
They've only been around 2000 years or so.

Pish tosh!

These folks have been around 3900 years or so! ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hinduism

135 posted on 12/01/2016 1:47:12 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

St. Augustine seems to have gotten it better than those who “sainted” him. Will wonders never cease?


136 posted on 12/01/2016 1:48:12 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Wanting to fit in to the crowd.

Like the First Pope: Peter??


Galatians 2:11-12

11 When Cephas came to Antioch, however, I opposed him to his face, because he stood to be condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself, for fear of those in the circumcision group.

137 posted on 12/01/2016 1:51:58 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Hindu is an interesting people environment to witness to.

They have no problem worshiping. They’ll worship anything. That makes it easy, at least, to introduce Christ. Oh, they worship Him in the west!

I’ve mentioned Christ to some of the closest Hindu acquaintances I know. Christ’s salvational advantage is in beating fallen man’s instinctive beliefs about the moral nature of the universe, which Hindus know as karma. Christ is as anti-karma as you can get, using Hindu viewpoint. Takes away what you earned. Gives you eternal gifts. That would be the offense of the gospel to them.


138 posted on 12/01/2016 1:54:23 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: daniel1212; cloudmountain
Actually, Catholics have a great deal of liberty to interpret the Bible in order to support Rome.


It ain't just the 'bible'!!


 




The 15 promises

(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)

1 Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9. I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13. I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

 

"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,

no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.

There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."

Sister Lucia dos Santos

139 posted on 12/01/2016 1:55:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

That tends to be a problem all around... following the crowd. But we have Christianity, not Crowdianity.


140 posted on 12/01/2016 1:55:34 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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