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To: boatbums
Does truth matter? Is there even such a thing as truth and if there is, can we know it and is it important to know it?

Any church, community of believers or other ecclesial entity must believe that it possesses the truth and the whole truth, mustn't it? If it doesn't, it has no business hanging out a shingle and inviting people in, does it? "We're not really sure......" is not a valid religious model although the Unitarians might disagree.

The Catholic Church certainly believes that it possesses the uncorrupted Gospel truth and I presume that you and your group of believers do likewise. Which leads to my question:

If we believe we possess the entire truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, wouldn't we want to share that truth with others? That seems to make perfect sense to me. Call it "proselytism" if you want, with all the negative connatations which have been attached to that word but to me, it's simply sharing the truth. What does not make sense to me, is believing that one possesses the truth and not wanting to share it.

Ergo, Francis' words make no sense. The only way they do make sense is if he a) does not believe that the Catholic Church possesses the whole truth and/or b) does not believe that truth ultimately matters. If the former, he's a heretic, if the latter, he's a syncretist.

34 posted on 11/29/2016 5:46:35 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
If we believe we possess the entire truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, wouldn't we want to share that truth with others? That seems to make perfect sense to me. Call it "proselytism" if you want, with all the negative connatations which have been attached to that word but to me, it's simply sharing the truth. What does not make sense to me, is believing that one possesses the truth and not wanting to share it.

Of course, but I'm not talking about those who are truly lost and without Christ. Certainly there is such a thing as the "entire truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ" and the question, then, is who knows it and HOW do they know it? I believe the truth of the Gospel is found in God's sacred word - it is His assurance to us that we are not left to the whims of men who may or may not have the best of intentions. We CAN know the truth because God TOLD it to us. We also have the Holy Spirit who leads and guides us into all truth when we seek to know it.

I don't know how familiar you are with Protestant denominations but the majority of them started out having very little that separated one from the other. Most differences were not doctrinal but organizational, liturgical, traditions or church governance. Not every self-named Christian denomination is necessarily Christian, either, but must be based on those major historical tenets that define Christianity and have from the start.

Ergo, Francis' words make no sense. The only way they do make sense is if he a) does not believe that the Catholic Church possesses the whole truth and/or b) does not believe that truth ultimately matters. If the former, he's a heretic, if the latter, he's a syncretist.

Where I think he is correct on this small point is recognizing that genuine Christians do exist outside of Catholicism - and your own Catechism affirms this. What's the point of hammering on someone like me, for example, to "come back" to Catholicism when I already believe and accept the Christian truths and have a relationship with and follow Jesus Christ? I did not have that kind of experience within Catholicism but I now know that I have eternal life with Jesus Christ. I question Catholics who seem to disagree with EVERYTHING their current Pope says almost as a knee-jerk reaction. On this point he is at least talking about something that IS part of your faith - at least as far as Vatican II and the current Catechism, that is.

101 posted on 11/29/2016 8:13:55 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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