Posted on 11/28/2016 8:33:34 PM PST by ebb tide
"Proselytism among Christians, therefore, in itself, is a grave sin,” said Pope Francis.
The journalist then asked, “Why?”
“Because it contradicts the very dynamic of how to become and to remain Christian,” he said. “The Church is not a soccer team that goes around seeking fans.”
It would be hard to conceive of a more superficial, more puerile, remark on relations with other Christian denominations. How much lower can the papacy sink - in terms of both cheap jibes that demean and dishonor the supreme office of Christ's Vicar on earth (lambasting an opposing position with a crude straw-man caricature that would discredit a junior high schooler) and outright heterodoxy?
The American left is currently urging the Electoral College to hand the White House to Hillary on the grounds that Trump is "manifestly unfit to be President". Dare we hope that the scarlet-clad Eminences of the Church's own Electoral College will soon declare Francis "manifestly unfit to be Pope"?
I mean . . . Trying to help non-Catholic Christians, by reasoned argument and apologetics, to recognize and embrace the fullness of revealed truth - and for Francis, that certainly qualifies as "proselytism" - is now to be condemned as sin? And indeed, grave sin? Even though Vatican Council II (to which the Holy Father professes his full adherence) clearly restates that all have a moral duty to seek, embrace and hold fast to this truth of the Catholic Church (cf. Dignitatis Humanae, #1)? Even though the Council (Lumen Gentium, #14) and the Catechism (#846) reaffirm the dogma "Outside the Church there is no salvation", explaining it to mean that those who recognize the Catholic Church as embodying the true religion, yet refuse to enter or remain in her, cannot be saved?
I myself am a convert from Presbyterianism. Prompted by the aforesaid conciliar teaching, I became a Catholic in order to save my soul. The Catholic faith I have professed now for 42 years is the most precious gift I have received. And now the head of Christ's Catholic Church on earth, no less, is telling me that those Catholics who by personal conversation and written argument helped persuade me to abandon my Protestant heresies and embrace the fullness of revealed truth were thereby committing grave sin? And he's justifying this excoriation of convert-seeking with a vapid "explanation" that explains nothing ("Because it contradicts the very dynamic of how to become and to remain Christian”)?
How many previous Successors of Peter must be rolling in their graves at such comments! This, coming from a pope, is . . . outrageous. Mind-boggling. Unspeakable. Incredible. The stuff of nightmare. It is calling good evil, and by implication, evil good. Sorry, I can't find adequate words here, so will simply give up seeking them and sign off.
We have all sinned.
So do you keep the rest of the OT Law?
I thought he p-------f a certain woman...
1 When Herod Antipas, the ruler of Galilee, heard about Jesus, 2 he said to his advisers, “This must be John the Baptist raised from the dead! That is why he can do such miracles.”
3 For Herod had arrested and imprisoned John as a favor to his wife Herodias (the former wife of Herod’s brother Philip). 4 John had been telling Herod, “It is against God’s law for you to marry her.” 5 Herod wanted to kill John, but he was afraid of a riot, because all the people believed John was a prophet.
6 But at a birthday party for Herod, Herodias’s daughter performed a dance that greatly pleased him, 7 so he promised with a vow to give her anything she wanted. 8 At her mother’s urging, the girl said, “I want the head of John the Baptist on a tray!”
There you go thinking again.
Answer the question: Do you keep the OT Law?
Yes or No?
My faith is in Christ. Not keeping the Law. The Law cannot save me. Only faith in Christ.
Semper Reformanda Fr Harrison!
I assume it's “new”.
Oh, I knew that a long time ago. Sin and sin boldly!
Oh, I knew that a long time ago. Sin and sin boldly!
Ah yes...the old catholic canard that Christians believe we can just go out and do whatever.
No Christian I am aware of would ever say this.
Now, I've known some catholics who believe they can whoop it up and just go see the priest and all is ok.
How many of the Ten Commandments did you break today? Bear in mind your thoughts count.
Stop acting like a five-year old. Don't demand answers to questions you refuse to answer yourself.
Who are you to stand in judgment of a Pontiff?
Zero. How about you?
I assume it's “new”.
Hey, you're the one going back to the Ten Commandments.
I believe Jesus is the ONE TIME sacrifice for our sins.
Day after day every priest stands to minister and to offer again and again the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
12But when this Priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, He sat down at the right hand of God. Hebrews 10:11-12
I’m a Catholic.
What are you?
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours."
--Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Why?
Has he been offered a better gig?
Yeah; I know...
I feel sorry for you.
Zero. How about you?
Wow.
You really believe you kept everyone perfectly??
If you have an image of Mary in your house you broke that one.
You've had ZERO improper thoughts? None? Not one little white lie? No coveting? No envy? No thoughts of Lust? Murder?
Not one errant thought?
Now what about the rest of the OT Law? All 600+ requirements. You've kept all those? Perfectly??
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