Posted on 11/28/2016 3:03:26 PM PST by NYer
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I pray for “the holy souls in purgatory” every day. I let God assign those prayers to souls as He sees fit. He knows who still needs them and who does not.
It’s a huge leap to claim that the passages cited imply purgatory. The refiner’s fire refers to the judgement seat of Christ, where useless “works” are burned up.
The notion of Catholic Purgatorty empowers the org. Just look at the means that religion has defined as ways to obviate the purgatory and you see the fiction/mythos is designed to empower their org not the individual, and certainly not glorifying The Lord Christ.
The same passage used in this essay refutes the Catholicism notion of the Ekklesia, the church founded on Peter! Yet that is ignored ...
Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
Shifting comma, as has been suggested by researchers as the correct translation would dramatically change the passage, which did not contain commas or other punctuation used by the translators as it did not exist during the period in which the texts where written.
The suggested rendering would then read or could read as: Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.”
A bit like Oz.
“And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment”
Hebrews 9:27
In other words, the Judgement is immediate, less than a second. Ask anybody who’s had a real near death experience and they’ll say the “changeover” was instantaneous.
So you are correct, praying for souls in “purgatory” is about as fruitful as hoping Antarctica will have sunny skies and 80 degree temps in July.
This comma baloney is used by cults. I don’t believe the comma should come after today. It makes no sense either. Since it is being said today, there is no need for Jesus to emphasize he is talking today.
Nothing in all Scripture about Purgatory, since it does not exist. Neither of the passages is about a purgatory. Made up out of whole cloth.
Well according to the tree huggers it cud happen..look at those poor polar bears..
There were no commas in Greek when this was written.
the holy souls??? if holy why prugy?? [ purgatory that is ]
AND there is NO CRYING in baseball...
Heheh. Similar, eh?
“Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them” (Heb. 7:25).
Jesus is the guarantor of a better, more perfect covenant (Heb. 7:22). The old covenant, though good in a temporary sense, was imperfect because its priesthood could never bring perfection to the people (v. 11). Moreover, the Levitical priesthood could make no one perfect because no Levite lived forever (vv. 23–24).
The many priests of the old covenant made the full experience of salvation under their economy impossible. Their deaths made it known that they were sinners, just like the people they were charged with representing. They were never able to offer a sacrifice completely free of their own evil motives and desires, no matter how good they were or how hard they tried. They could not save anyone because they needed to be saved themselves. God accepted their sacrifices only because they pointed to the time when the perfect mediator would come.
When Christ came all this changed. He is free from sin and therefore can hold the office of priest forever. Being very God of very God, He is the power of salvation itself. “He is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them” (v. 25).
John Owen points out that saving us to the uttermost means that Christ “will not bring about part of our salvation and leave what remains to ourselves and to others… . Whatever belongs to our entire, complete salvation, he is able to effect it.” Christ does not leave us to ourselves but brings about our whole salvation, from its beginning at regeneration to its culmination in our glorification.
Purgatory is an unnecessary fiction because Christ saves to the uttermost.
Soli Deo Gloria
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