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Pope Francis on the young who like Latin Mass: ‘Why so much rigidity?’
Life Site News ^ | November 11, 2016 | Claire Chretien

Posted on 11/13/2016 2:12:14 PM PST by Morgana

In a new interview, Pope Francis criticized the "rigidity" of young people who are attached to the Traditional Latin Mass.

"I always try to understand what's behind people who are too young to have experienced the pre-conciliar liturgy and yet still they want it," the pontiff said. "Sometimes I found myself confronted with a very strict person, with an attitude of rigidity. And I ask myself: Why so much rigidity? Dig, dig, this rigidity always hides something, insecurity or even something else. Rigidity is defensive. True love is not rigid."

Pope Francis frequently criticizes faithful Catholics using this type of rhetoric. He has blasted the "excessive rigidity" of Catholics who believe in moral absolutes.

“Traditionalists” with their “hostile inflexibility,” fail to allow themselves to be “surprised by God,” he said in 2014.

In the same interview, Pope Francis said Vatican II's major liturgical changes "should carry on as they are."

"To speak of the 'reform of the reform' is a mistake," he said.

The "reform of the reform" is an expression inspired by Pope Benedict XVI to refer to a reform of the post-Vatican II liturgy that would make it more closely aligned with Catholic liturgical tradition.

Following the Second Vatican Council, it was widely and errantly believed that the Old Rite of the Mass had been abolished or forbidden. In his motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI clarified that both the Ordinary Form (post-Vatican II Mass) and Extraordinary Form (Mass according to the 1962 missal) of the liturgy are permitted and "there is no contradiction between the two editions of the Roman Missal."

"In the history of the liturgy there is growth and progress, but no rupture," Pope Benedict wrote. "What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful." Image The annual Blessed Karl Mass is widely attended by young Catholics in the eastern United States.

In the new interview, however, Francis describes Benedict's actions as an "exception" that was "magnanimous."

Pope Benedict extended a "fair and magnanimous gesture to meet a certain mentality of some groups and people who had nostalgia. ... But it is an exception," Pope Francis said.

In an essay on why she likes the Traditional Latin Mass, teenaged Anya Proctor wrote that she was driven to it by "weird" homilies about "other religions, the gospel of Judas, funny stories in the newspaper, irrelevant anecdotes, and even blatant heresies" and "a priest using props on the altar to demonstrate his homily—as if we were all five-year-olds."

At the Traditional Latin Mass, "I came to know God," Proctor continued. "I got to fully experience Christ Incarnate in flesh and blood, on my knees, deep in silence and prayer — to meditate on his union with me as he was placed reverently on my tongue by his holy servant. I closed my eyes when I received Jesus. I felt physically, spiritually, and emotionally transformed. Many times in the Cathedral, tears have come to me as I have prayed and focused on Jesus’s love and sacrifice for me."

"Mass is not intended to celebrate people," Proctor wrote. "That’s for luncheons, birthday parties, and maybe youth groups—but not Mass. The Mass is for the Lord. The Mass is where the priest is so reverent he faces the Lord, not the people, so that they don’t focus on him, but only on Christ."

Juventutem ("youth" in Latin), an international federation of young people who attend and promote the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, has chapters around the world.

"We are a group of Catholic young adults who seek to implement Summorum Pontificum in the Archdiocese of Washington," Juventutem's Washington, DC chapter explains. "We love the traditional Roman liturgy and seek to share it with the Church and the world. Come pray with us!"

Juventutem's Boston chapter "promotes the sanctification of youth by means of the traditions of the Catholic Church, faithful to the Church’s teaching and her authorities, and in spiritual union with those young people throughout the world who share our aspirations...Juventutem Boston also dedicates itself to an intercessory apostolate, praying with and for our Bishops and Priests in union with His Holiness Pope Francis."

Six hundred young adults attended traditional liturgies at World Youth Day this year.


TOPICS: Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; latinmass; popefrancis
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To: Morgana

O Lord, how much longer with this person?


21 posted on 11/13/2016 2:59:15 PM PST by Bigg Red (To Thee, O Lord, I lift my soul. Thank you for saving our Republic.)
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To: proxy_user

I loved Latin! In my tiny high school, it was offered for only 2 years. I would have taken 4 years if I could.


22 posted on 11/13/2016 3:00:44 PM PST by Bigg Red (To Thee, O Lord, I lift my soul. Thank you for saving our Republic.)
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To: proxy_user

You have forgotten my favorite: the passive periphrastic!


23 posted on 11/13/2016 3:00:53 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: Morgana

When I attended Catholic grade school they explained that the Latin Mass was the same all over the world
So no matter where you were you could easily follow along with the celebration of the mass


24 posted on 11/13/2016 3:02:13 PM PST by uncbob
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To: uncbob

That is what I was taught, as well. And it saddens me that such unity no longer exists.


25 posted on 11/13/2016 3:07:55 PM PST by Bigg Red (To Thee, O Lord, I lift my soul. Thank you for saving our Republic.)
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To: Petrosius
Don't forget the supine.

Which is what Pope Francis wants Latin Mass lovers to be.

The Latin Mass is beautiful.

The Sistine ceiling is also "rigid." Would the pope prefer that it was more flexible?

26 posted on 11/13/2016 3:13:05 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Morgana

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3492809/posts


27 posted on 11/13/2016 3:13:28 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: Morgana
"In the history of the liturgy there is growth and progress, but no rupture," Pope Benedict wrote.

With respect to the Novus Ordo service? I beg to differ.

28 posted on 11/13/2016 3:22:03 PM PST by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: uncbob

A universal,non political language.


29 posted on 11/13/2016 3:37:09 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Morgana

Oh man, I feel so much inclusion, I feel so accompanied; I can tell he’s looking deeply, tenderly in my eyes and respecting my unique and precious contribution to Everybody’s Church as his little Latin lamb because my humble, humble humility is something he really treasures in his heart as he kicks me off the cliff...


30 posted on 11/13/2016 3:45:38 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Happens to every guy sometimes this does." - Yoda)
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To: Morgana
Dig, dig, this rigidity always hides something, insecurity or even something else.

Since he is rigid in his liberalism, I suppose he is telling us something about himself. So what is the 'something else' he is hiding?

31 posted on 11/13/2016 3:57:17 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Mrs. Don-o

What ever happened to “Who am I to judge”? Can’t we get a little of that non-judgmental affirmation?


32 posted on 11/13/2016 4:01:22 PM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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To: Morgana
Why so much rigidity?

Francis seems pretty rigid in his Marxism and Liberation Theology.

33 posted on 11/13/2016 4:06:12 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: Morgana

Pope. Respectfully, your rigid complaints about the rigidity of others is rigid. What should matter is if set beliefs are based on the truth handed onto you in the Church.

Don’t be a moral hypocrite.


34 posted on 11/13/2016 5:27:30 PM PST by Bayard
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To: proxy_user

As a 78 year old “Cradle Catholic” I have this to say:
Growing up, we often visited my mother’s family in Canada. We attended the French Catholic Church where the Mass was in Latin. I understood and followed the liturgy. Although the sermon was gibberish to me, I knew what was taking place.
Years later, in Vietnam, Hong Kong and Japan, I experienced the same thing. However, post Vatican II permission to celebrate the liturgy in the vernacular languages led to something entirely different!
I was stationed in Japan at the time. We usually attended Mass at the base chapel but there were times when we attended Mass at a Japanese parish church. Talk about being totally lost!! I often wondered if I had attended at all!
The Latin Mass was the universal liturgical language of the Roman Rite, followed and understood by all, throughout the Catholic Church, world-wide. Too bad it has gone away and is not supported by the Vatican.


35 posted on 11/13/2016 6:00:45 PM PST by Nuocmam
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To: Morgana

What’s a sober Catholic to do? If I leave the RCC, where do I go?


36 posted on 11/13/2016 6:03:25 PM PST by Ted Grant
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To: Morgana
"Mass is not intended to celebrate people"

this.....

37 posted on 11/13/2016 6:03:54 PM PST by cherry
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To: Ted Grant

I am thinking of going Greek Orthodox. Was the same church as Rome until 1000 years ago.


38 posted on 11/13/2016 7:33:58 PM PST by JerryBlackwell (some animals are more equal than others)
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To: xkaydet65
Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam.

Judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta: ab homine iniquo et doloso erue me.

39 posted on 11/13/2016 11:59:25 PM PST by John Locke
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To: JerryBlackwell

Is converting long and difficult?


40 posted on 11/14/2016 6:45:04 AM PST by Ted Grant
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