Posted on 10/13/2016 3:20:45 PM PDT by ebb tide
POPE FRANCIS "I also want to ask you a question." "Who is better: Lutherans or Catholics?" "It is better when they are together.”
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That's not true; only a Catholic priest can confect the sacrament of Holy Communion.
ELCA is the infernal creation of Martin Marty, incorporating now defunct small synods in his drive to make a pseudo "Lutheran" contribution to some nefarious World Council of Churches style One World imitation of religion.
I have never practiced much less accepted that ANYONE has the authority to allow artificial birth control and I never practiced it.
Since no Lutheran synod has valid priests, no Lutheran Synod has valid "Masses" or any Masses at all. No synod of the Lutheran Church has any authority to authorize the sacrament of confession. Nor, BTW, other than in "emergencies" does any SSPX priest have authority to hear confessions since the SSPXers have no faculties whatsoever from diocesan ordinaries to hear confessions. Ditto in all respects as to Episcopalians/Anglicans, or any other Christian denomination other than the Eastern Orthodox Churches which are formally in schism but whose sacraments and Masses are regarded as quite valid by the Vatican and the Eastern Orthodox Churches do enjoy apostolic succession which is why their sacraments are valid.
Lutherans may administer the sacrament of Matrimony since the ministers of that sacrament are the husband and the wife. I don't believe that Lutherans believe in the sacrament of Holy Orders or Extreme Unction. While Lutherans engage in confirmation, again, lacking apostolic succession means lacking sacramental authority over confirmation.
All, as I have no doubt, you well know, though you may disagree as to the SSPX schismatics and dead excommunicati.
Didn’t mean to intrude, just wanted to give folks a more complete picture of the remarks. Without them having to hit the link.
Perhaps Pope Francis isn’t as limited as you are on his faith. You sound like you are politically based, this Pope is Christ based on his thinking. Yes, foolish person God expects us to love and respect His creation...
Once again you have proven yourself to be either ignorant or pigheaded.
Your should know darn well that Bergoglio has stated that confessions heard by SSPX priests are not only valid (as they always have been), but are also licit in his miserable "Year of Mercy".
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
You didn't? You've already posted six times on this thread.
I am bitter? As a Catholic, I judge actions; not motivations/intent. Unlike Christ, this Pope and you, I can not read men's hearts.
I see the actions of this Pope, many are not good. He embraces wolves in sheep's clothing, you call it love. He welcomes wolves in sheep's clothing into the flock and even goes so far as claiming the wolves be sheep or better yet, there is no difference between sheep and wolf. This Shepard is not on the path, not pointing out the path, nor protecting the flock. You ascribe motive to his errors as naive love?
Naive: Showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment.
In other words, we agree that this Pope is not in possession of a well-formed conscience. Since you defend the man and not his actions, I assume you agree that his errors are errors; regardless I do not ascribe motivation while you do.
I would suggest that love without truth is like a leaf blowing in the wind, a leaf likely to go in any direction the wind blows. Such a blind love is really delusion...
Yes, you are bitter...just reread your previous posts. I know it is very difficult during these times not to be. I struggle with bitterness, anger, and feelings of hatred everyday.
What we miss when we succumb to Satan’s temptation...that is what it is after all, is the ability to see truth. The actions of this Pope are always loving, always. From washing feet, to protecting the child from a rambunctious crowd. The article you posted was inspirational in its loving basis.
What you see as actions are really assumptions based upon very limited information. As you said we cannot know men’s hearts with certainty. But, all the actions of this Pope are loving.
We also do not know God’s plan, but we can be assured that God is very active right now, in these times and if I were going to bet on God protecting His Church or forsaking it I will bet on God’s love of His Church.
You misunderstood my reference of the Pope’s naivety...because of his perspective being love based he does not look for the evil in men...he looks for the good...sees the dignity of each life. In our world based view that appears naive. But, let mee give you a truth you will not find in a dictionary...all true wisdom is love based all else is just knowledge or misguidance. Knowledge in itself is not wisdom, it is just data...all day some times we are tempted towards misguidance which of course cannot be wisdom. You would say the Pope is misguided, I would say he is wise. Time will show us the fruit he bears.
I didn’t realize you own this thread...I guess I am trespassing then...I’ve done worse ;)
You said you didn’t mean to intrude.
That’s seven post of yours now.
Yeah, now I am trespassing...
Eight.
Lutherans don’t believe in change.
Sure they do. They now ordain womyn as “priests” and consider induced abortion as a viable “option of the last resort”.
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I read through the documents that came out of Vatican II sevferal times. When read in light of the Dogma, Traditions, and constant teaching of the Church, there are a few (very, very, few) places where they seem to have been made deliberately ambiguous.
Clergy who were not already corrupted by very "Christian", very wealthy, individuals and Foundations in the US spending decades working to undermine Catholicism in the US and Europe just like the Communists worked toward that same goal wouldn't have pretended Vatican II granted them the authority to be good little Protestants who prefer imitating Eve to imitating Christ. They would have instead remained Catholic and interpreted what came out of the Council in light of Church Dogma, Traditions, and the Constant Teaching of the Church.
Most sheep without shepherds rapidly sink to the lowest common denominator and in the US, the lowest common denominator is doing what you please and convincing yourself that because you said the magic words when you were nine or when you were suffering from one too many hangovers that you're following Christ. In Europe, most people just dismiss Hell and consequences so they don't even bother with magic words.
That lack of faithful shepherds led to the people who were Catholic only because they were brought up as Catholics, but who were disobeying Church Teaching in many ways already, to outright abandon the Church. Abandon the Church and no more bother about contraception, fornication, divorce, remarriage, and many other "little things". Just go with the American flow into unlimited sex, drugs, and Rock n' Roll, with no worries about any of the other Self and Self Alone "Christians" bothering you about following Christ except on rare Holier Than Thou occasions.
Such folks can call themselves Catholic or whatever else they like but as Christ said, "by their fruits shall you know them" and those folks are as spiritually sterile as the vast majority of people claiming to be anything else "Christian" in this country. The fruits of what passes for "Christian" in this country are the very corruptions and rot no one can pretend aren't dominate and our society and most people can't seem to figure out where the problem is even though it's staring back at them from their mirror.
Catholicism hasn't changed. What's changed is that the majority of the US & European clergy are not now and may never have been Catholic or they're behaving exactly like the Apostles did when they ran and hid while Christ was crucified. Centuries ago Doctors of the Church said the Church would suffer the same passion Christ went through and that the heirs to the Apostles would almost all run and hide when it happened. The only difference is now it's not nearly so obvious which of the clergy took thirty pieces of silver and which are simply as cowardly as the other eleven Apostles were.
Thankfully, Christ promised that the Gates of Hell will not prevail against The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church Jesus Christ Himself founded while the gnat clouds of anti-Catholic critics can almost all only rely on the promise that Christ Himself will tell them, "I never knew you".
All non-Catholic Protestant and Protestant derived groups broadcast their rejection of Christ, the Trinity, and that God the Father clearly rejected their "let it be enough for you that we're all Holy" claim of needing no priesthood, when they refuse to accept the entire Bible and embrace instead the anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisee Rabbi Approved !! Luther Subset of Scripture and on top of that reject what is clearly spelled out in Scripture they claim they do accept.
And so it goes.
Those who are so stiff necked they don't even know what they don't know claim Jesus Christ wouldn't allow the Church He founded to suffer as He did just like they claim the Holy Spirit helped Satan lead people to Hell by allowing error to exist in Scripture for nearly eighteen hundred years. All of which they insist "proves" that following your Self and Self Alone is the same as following Christ because the same Holy Spirit they swear is imperfect perfectly guides them.
have a wonderful day
How many Irish to change a lightbulb? Fifteen. One to hold the bulb and fourteen to drink until the room starts spinning. ;o)
The real story is that nothing has changed in the message despite what the liberal media wants to believe:
"on numerous other hot-button issues, the Pope upholds the traditional teaching, including on abortion, euthanasia, gender theory, gay ‘marriage,’ and more. "
Hopes in some circles that the Pope would radically alter the Church’s teachings on homosexuality have not been realized. Much of what he does write amounts to a relatively straight-forward, if not especially aggressive, re-affirmation of Church teaching
the clear affirmation of Church teaching in paragraph 251, which states: "There are absolutely no grounds for considering homosexual unions to be in any way similar or even remotely analogous to God’s plan for marriage and family.”
“We’ve given this a good go for a long time, and it doesn’t seem to have penetrated into the mind of the Vatican on how sexuality and sexual ethics have changed,” Mary E. Hunt, co-founder and co-director of the Women’s Alliance for Theology, Ethics and Ritual (WATER), told the news outlet. Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, which describes itself as “a gay-positive ministry of advocacy and justice for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender(LGBT) Catholics,” told the outlet he was “very disappointed” there were “no affirmative statements” about LGBT people, and said any mentions were made in a “negative context.”
He issued an ugly, earth-scorching attack against gays, equating gay marriage and adoption by gay couples with the work of the Devil, and declared that gay marriage was a “destructive attack on God’s plan.”
Making this and similar points is usually a ‘where do I start?’ situation. People, and a majority of those calling themselves Catholic, are not correct in assuming that the Church is a democracy.
It is not
The USCCB can run around saying tgeyre following Church teaching in advising everyone to accept the Mexican invasion, for instance, but they are just being politicians.
This confuses people
Illegal immigration as well as homosexuality are addressed in the Catechism. No one can say anything about church teaching without consulting the Catechism of the Chiurch. When people do that they are just talking blah blah blah.and misguiding he ignorant
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