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To: daniel1212
But which also was not exclusive to Peter, but is applied to the whole church, (Mt. 18:15-20)

At least you admitted that the Messiah gave someone, the Apostle Peter directly, the power to bind and loose on earth. Not only that, you admitted the whole (one holy catholic apostolic church) assembly of Apostles, including those eligible to be Apostles and those in communion with them. was given this authority. You also linked it to the Jewish origins of binding and loosing. You have admitted much here. Now, any gainsaying aside, it is simply a matter of succession and provenance.

256 posted on 09/25/2016 7:58:13 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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If Catholicism were an Apostolic succession, they would have to start with the leadership as recognized by the actual Apostles (they accept James as the eladership), AND every leader following would have to meet the Lord in person, as that was one of the Apostle-recognized attributes for Apostleship, not just discipleship, Apostleship!


257 posted on 09/25/2016 8:38:07 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for spiritual discernment)
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To: af_vet_1981
At least you admitted that the Messiah gave someone, the Apostle Peter directly, the power to bind and loose on earth.

Indeed, but which simply does not support the church looking to the Peter of Scripture as the first of a line of infallible popes reigning supreme in Rome, which egregious ecclesiastical extrapolation is one giant leap of eisegesis.

Not only that, you admitted the whole (one holy catholic apostolic church) assembly of Apostles, including those eligible to be Apostles and those in communion with them. was given this authority. You also linked it to the Jewish origins of binding and loosing. You have admitted much here. Now, any gainsaying aside, it is simply a matter of succession and provenance.

"Not only that" conclusion is a problem on multiple levels, for the Jewish origins of binding and loosing shows that presuming ensured perpetual magisterial infallibility as per Rome is unscriptural and presumptuous, as is the premise that one must formally be in communion with the apostles to have this spiritual power, and as is that Rome's so-called apostolic successors do not fail of the qualifications and credentials of manifest Biblical apostles, which they do, (Acts 1:21,22; 1Cor. 9:1; Gal. 1:11,12; 2Co. 6:4-10) and as is that apostolic successors are not simply presbuteros (senior/elder) or episkopos (superintendent/overseer) - not distinctively titled (usually celibate) priests.

Thus the matter of succession and provenance is your undoing, gainsaying aside.

261 posted on 09/25/2016 12:57:42 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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