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Is Mary not a Virgin? The German Bishops’ New Bible Translation Leaves it... Unclear
LifeSite News ^ | 9/21/16 | Jan Bentz

Posted on 09/22/2016 7:57:02 PM PDT by marshmallow

GERMANY, September 21, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) — The German Bishops have presented a new “Unified Translation” of the Bible that follows a significant modernization of the language and will be binding for all German-speaking areas starting in 2017.

On Tuesday, the German Bishops Conference (DBK) presented in Fulda the fruit of many years of scientific work: a new edition of the so-called “Unified Translation" (Einheitsübersetzung) of the Bible into German. It’s called “unified” because, from the original published from 1962 onward, these editions are supposed to be used ecumenically, unifying Catholics and Protestants in Germany. The original aim, however, was thwarted in 2005 when Protestants reverted to the Luther translation.

The leader of the research project was the bishop (now emeritus) of Erfurt, Joachim Wanke, who explained that the new edition is a “moderate revision” of the older text. Wanke added that a translation is always also an interpretation. The new edition shows more “braveness” to present “biblical jargon,” he said, reported by kath.net.

According to Jewish tradition, the personal names of God cannot be pronounced, so “Yahweh” is substituted by “Lord” in the new edition. In fact, every paragraph has a change, explained Michael Theobald, president of the German Bible Association.

When the apostle Paul calls two new followers, they are not two men anymore, Andronicus and Junias; rather, a new discovery showed that apparently it was one man and one woman, hence Andronicus and Junia. This led to the discussion that the word “apostle” must be applied to women as well as men (Author’s note: In German, different genders of the word exist and usually gender-ideologists insist on using male and female forms).

Other changes are more ideological.

Most frightening is the change to the iconic Isaiah passage (7:14): “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son”.....

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostles; christ; christianity; feminism; jesus; mary; politicalcorrectness; religion; revisionism; theology; virginbirth; waronchrist
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To: ealgeone; Zuriel
You're looking for something in the text that isn't there to help disprove the catholic talking point sacred tradition of Mary being ever virgin.

It's called eisegesis....the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text. This is commonly referred to as reading into the text. The act is often used to "prove" a pre-held point of concern to the reader and to provide him or her with confirmation bias in accordance with his or her pre-held agenda.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisegesis


Have you not learned yet that context is key to understanding a passage?

181 posted on 09/23/2016 9:16:05 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: marshmallow

Who cares... unless you want to make her into some kind of goddess?
Jesus, Jesus, and Jesus

John 14:6
Philippians 2:9
Romans 10:9


182 posted on 09/23/2016 9:16:22 PM PDT by mrobisr ( so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow)
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To: ealgeone
Yes...and in this context it tells us these were relatives. They were traveling with extended families.

Cousins, cousins, everywhere ...

183 posted on 09/23/2016 9:17:51 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ebb tide; metmom
The Blessed Virgin Mary never bore any other children than the Christ Child, and that is why only She and John were at the foot of the Cross.

Only Mary and John were at the foot of the cross??

Therefore the soldiers did these things. But standing by the cross of Jesus were His mother, and His mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. John 19:25 NASB

You have read the account....right?

184 posted on 09/23/2016 9:21:32 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981

lions and tigers and bears on my!


185 posted on 09/23/2016 9:21:52 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981

Hey, you gotta do you own homework!


186 posted on 09/23/2016 9:23:00 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

You are so amusing. You claim you belong to no church, nor denomination, and you cherry-pick the “bible” of your choosing. Context appears to be adverse to you

Once again, Church of Me.

“[41] And his parents went every year to Jerusalem, at the solemn day of the pasch, [42] And when he was twelve years old, they going up into Jerusalem, according to the custom of the feast, [43] And having fulfilled the days, when they returned, the child Jesus remained in Jerusalem; and his parents knew it not. [44] And thinking that he was in the company, they came a day’ s journey, and sought him among their kinsfolks and acquaintance. [45] And not finding him, they returned into Jerusalem, seeking him.”

When they “returned”; not “during their return”.


187 posted on 09/23/2016 9:40:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide; metmom
Why did Christ entrust His Mother to St. John, but His Church to St. Peter? And where were all these so-called "siblings" at the Pentecost or the Ascension?

Where were all his so-called "cousins" who would be obligated to take care of their family member (Mary)? He gave the care of Mary over to John because he was there and Jesus knew he could be trusted. It's really that simple.

Jesus is the rock on which His church is built, not Peter. Then you have James, the brother of Jesus, who became a believer and who was the head of the church in Jerusalem. There were a lot of people gathered in the house at Pentecost as well as HUNDREDS who witnessed the resurrected Christ. Do you think the Holy Spirit should have identified everyone that was there? Take it up with Him!

188 posted on 09/23/2016 9:44:11 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; metmom

Peter means “rock”.


189 posted on 09/23/2016 9:50:30 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Peter means “rock”.

Peter is a piece of THE rock which is Jesus Christ. Peter's profession of faith - that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of the living God - is what Christ's church is built upon, NOT a man who couldn't even bring himself to admit he was with Jesus when asked by a little girl and certainly not on anyone thought to be future "Peters". The foundation is Christ, the Apostles (all of them) were pillars and each believer is a living stone being built up into that spiritual house of God.


190 posted on 09/23/2016 10:03:28 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: ebb tide
and as they were returning, after spending the full number of days, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem. But His parents were unaware of it, NASB

And when the days were past, they were returning, but The Boy Yeshua had remained in Jerusalem and Yoseph and his mother did not know it.Aramaic Bible in plain English

After those days were over, as they were returning, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but His parents did not know it. HCSB

And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. KJV

You've already shown you don't know the difference between John the Baptist and the Apostle

Now you show you don't understand this text.

. You're starting to remind me of another former poster. Do you play chess with pigeons?

191 posted on 09/23/2016 10:14:17 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: boatbums

No, now you’re making stuff up. Jesus never said Peter was a piece of rock. As a matter fact, Christ renamed Simon as Peter, His rock.


192 posted on 09/23/2016 10:16:32 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone

It’s even more amusing that you quote different protestant bibles to support your fabrications.


193 posted on 09/23/2016 10:18:51 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ealgeone
Do you play chess with pigeons?

No, unless you're a pigeon.

194 posted on 09/23/2016 10:21:59 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
No, now you’re making stuff up. Jesus never said Peter was a piece of rock. As a matter fact, Christ renamed Simon as Peter, His rock.

I'M making stuff up??? Jesus IS the rock (petra) - plenty of Scriptural proof for that - and Peter is a little rock or a piece of the rock (petros). Peter, as did the rest of the Apostles were commissioned/sent by Jesus to win souls to Christ, disciple other leaders and help build up local assemblies throughout the known world, and they did. I hope you realize that if you really believe it is Peter on whom the church of Christ is built, then there would no longer be a foundation once Peter was martyred. You cannot claim that Peter somehow passed down his "rockness" to others because Jesus did not give him that power. Only Jesus is the true rock of our faith. I worship him, not Peter.

195 posted on 09/23/2016 10:25:44 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
I'M making stuff up???

Yes. I've already told you that. How many times must I repeat myself?

196 posted on 09/23/2016 10:53:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Christ entrusted His Church to St. Peter. Yet Peter denied Christ three times and also was not present at the foot of the Cross.

Christ did not entrust His church to Peter. If He did, He would not have raised up Paul and the other disciples and He would have instructed the other disciples to be in submission to Peter.

Why did Christ entrust His Mother to St. John, but His Church to St. Peter? And where were all these so-called "siblings" at the Pentecost or the Ascension?

John 7:1-5 After this Jesus went about in Galilee. He would not go about in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill him. Now the Jews' Feast of Booths was at hand.

So his brothers said to him, “Leave here and go to Judea, that your disciples also may see the works you are doing. For no one works in secret if he seeks to be known openly. If you do these things, show yourself to the world.” For not even his brothers believed in him.

I already told you what I thought about why His own brothers were not with Him at the cross. Reread the post.

197 posted on 09/24/2016 5:50:42 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide; Zuriel
So you think the whole family forgot about Jesus until they got home?

How ludicrous.

Do you think Jesus' parents thought He was irresponsible and untrustworthy that at age 12 He couldn't have been left to spend time with His friends and be trusted to stay with the group?

In that culture, he was on the border of being called a man. He had better have been responsible and mature.

I would hazard a guess that 12 year olds in those days were a tad more mature then they are today.

198 posted on 09/24/2016 5:54:19 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone

Probably not.


199 posted on 09/24/2016 5:56:29 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

Follow the story. The order of the events should be clear to you regardless of the translation.


200 posted on 09/24/2016 5:57:45 AM PDT by ealgeone
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